42: Nutanix Weekly: Modern Infrastructure for Better Digital Learning Experience

Feb 10, 2022

Nutanix, a leader in hybrid multicloud computing, and Citrix Systems, Inc. formed a strategic partnership to help you build a simple, secure, and performant infrastructure for a digital learning environment. From K-12 to research universities, running Citrix® Virtual Apps and Desktops on the Nutanix® Cloud Platform simplifies solutions, enhances security, and delivers excellent student and staff experience.

There are 3 major benefits of building a Nutanix + Citrix technology stack at your institutions.

Host: Andy Whiteside
Co-Host: Jirah Cox

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Andy Whiteside: Hello everyone and welcome to episode 42 of new tactics weekly I just hit the go button on gyro like hey we’re just chitchat as a are you ready ready good here we go and we were just kind of chatting about the fact that.

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Andy Whiteside: People struggle with the concept of what we’re doing here we’re just taking really good blog content talking about it it’s not hard.

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Andy Whiteside: And we’re not geniuses we just we just know there’s stuff that needs to be covered and we give people a different path to get to a gyro Cox how’s it going.

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Jirah Cox: I think I learned a long time ago that you know when you reinvent the wheel you just get less done in the day.

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Jirah Cox: And I don’t make particularly you know unique wheels right so.

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Jirah Cox: yeah for sure it’s a good format of of let’s just help help give airtime to some already good content.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah people put tons of effort into putting this stuff together let’s just talk about their stuff so on that note let’s see harsha, how do you pronounce that name.

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Jirah Cox: I don’t know i’m.

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Andy Whiteside: RC K.

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Jirah Cox: yeah i’ve never seen before.

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Andy Whiteside: On January 21 of 2022 wrote a little article modern infrastructure for better digital learning experience I think what they’re talking about there is a.

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Andy Whiteside: Putting some citrus workloads on some very capable new tannic software enabled workloads gyros that is that what this blog is gonna be about.

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Jirah Cox: Totally right about sort of you know both K 12 and higher ED right why whining 10 X, Y citrix on new tonics and you know why is that good for you.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah so I live in a world of faster and even number two here simpler, but I wouldn’t expect it number one here to be enhanced security what, why is that one number one on this list, are they yeah I mean it’s one, two and three it’s prioritize why number one.

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Jirah Cox: yeah I don’t kind of jumped out to me to write I think if we are thinking about.

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Jirah Cox: Networking for like a an easy environment, whether that’s virtual desktops One the one one to many.

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Jirah Cox: That we know that networking is important right and Center spring some very key components that like net scale, of course, chief among them.

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Jirah Cox: But I think it’s really a conversations have been i’ve been a part of all the brain power goes into making the connectivity to desktops work can users get to the Internet can users get to desktops from their endpoints and devices.

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Jirah Cox: and not as much thought is given to are we actually making this a secure environment like not even requiring the articles business and zero trust elements of this, you know what if one user shouldn’t have to trust another user in the in the vdi farm and that you see farm.

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Jirah Cox: To be also a good citizen right and not a nosy neighbor.

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Jirah Cox: And with stuff like you know new tax flow that’s not required right, like, I can say hey all of y’all can get to the Apps you need to get the.

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Jirah Cox: get to the Internet connectivity to your your thing clients, you know your eye gels you’re all kinds of stuff like that any knows more about this than I do.

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Jirah Cox: But once you’re there like your desktops can’t see each other right I I personally in this day and age, if I you know tomorrow flipped over and became just an internal admin I would trust my easy environment less than almost any signal the network right I probably just busy busy.

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Jirah Cox: here’s more than.

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Andy Whiteside: we’re taking users in their desktops and putting them in the data Center.

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Jirah Cox: yeah I probably trust that that subnet less than like the dmz itself like with with it wide open access and supports to the to the Internet that’s almost gonna be better behaved and like Oh, you know the place where malware starts and spreads.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah it could be, and I think about this visual from time to time it’s like when you have a.

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Andy Whiteside: subway system, and you, you allow about physical transportation subway system.

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Andy Whiteside: And you allow you know, users and people to start coming in and out of it, they come and go, and all kinds of places and all kinds of bad stuff happens and it gets dirty and grungy.

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Andy Whiteside: You want to keep it is locked down as tight as you can, as long as you can, and this enables you to do it, so that you know that the east, west traffic that is looking to do bad stuff can’t do it.

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Jirah Cox: Right like if you could solve that right, you could take the subway system.

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Jirah Cox: and say, as you put your token in if something and people who still use tokens for some ways I don’t know I live in the suburbs, but if you if you put your token into the subway.

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Jirah Cox: And you then we require you to step into like an Intel clean room like bunny suit yeah and then you can ride the subway the subway stay clean forever be great but that’s not scalable right we just killed the whole usefulness of using subway.

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Andy Whiteside: Well, think about that the exact scenario, people are currently more often than not get in their individual car that they pay for and maintain themselves and drive somewhere.

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Andy Whiteside: When we should probably you know they’d be a lot more efficient to live in urban design places, or at least places with transportation, they could get you from your House in the country to the city and then from there, go wherever you need to.

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Andy Whiteside: The fact that we also drive around and Carla we also have individual laptops that we carry around is is kind of crazy.

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Jirah Cox: Well that’s almost a right so so to put to bring My analogy full circle it’s as if, like putting your token in the into the turnstile.

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Jirah Cox: magically just transports you into that clean room suit right there’s no added efficient added overhead or delays.

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Jirah Cox: To efficiency of like having to get into it, we can just offer that same protection without without him back to the end user your analogy there fantastic, for you know.

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Jirah Cox: subway buses versus cars right that’s almost like a powerful like one to one versus one too many right server based computing.

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Jirah Cox: analogy in some ways right like Do you really need your own running instance of the os to be effective, at your job, you know.

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Jirah Cox: yeah maybe you do, maybe not both worth worth investigating.

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Andy Whiteside: When you brought up clean room right so, can you can have your own employment it’s maybe it’s the Linux maybe it’s Google, maybe it’s windows, whatever it is.

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Andy Whiteside: That thing doesn’t get anywhere near the data it can just view the data and, by the way, the data is viewing and the Apps it’s viewing are there going to be, you know, in a clean room.

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Andy Whiteside: And we’re going to see where they’re coming and going.

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Andy Whiteside: And if something starts to look specific specific just suspicious we’re going to stop it all right now.

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Jirah Cox: yeah well then, you know, and you know this is a partnership right between what you know see that does itself what the like a wife would do or the web’s the Netscape.

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Jirah Cox: are part of that right with flow, you know kind of the unsung hero of the capability, there is, what if I don’t even know what my users need to get to or what the traffic should look like.

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Jirah Cox: Well, the fact that I can use flow in monitor mode and let it tell me what all the flows are and what’s talking to what.

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Jirah Cox: And over what ports, so that I can learn what what’s at least going on.

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Jirah Cox: find some low hanging fruit outliers that I definitely want to block and then take the rest, the flows and make that into a policy.

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Jirah Cox: very, very easy right it’s not like step one start with a blank paper and write down every port and source and destination, you know and then eventually you know, two years from now we will, but we were policy built it’s much, much faster than that yeah.

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Andy Whiteside: sounds like flow is secure, smart flow.

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Jirah Cox: I can’t I can’t tell if it’s a joke.

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Andy Whiteside: No, is it.

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Andy Whiteside: I think I think new tonics needs to.

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Andy Whiteside: Think about even making that name.

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Andy Whiteside: I love the name flow.

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Andy Whiteside: But flow almost August flows right.

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Jirah Cox: flows right i’ll give you full credit for it if we adopted.

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Andy Whiteside: Secure smart flow smart flow I don’t some tells me that’s probably out there somewhere all right.

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Andy Whiteside: Number two gets really into what a lot of people think of first and foremost actually number two is probably number two won’t be most people think about when they talk about the.

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Andy Whiteside: desktop virtualization on top of new tannic hyper converged software on commodity hardware fast hardware, and that is simplified operations from a systems perspective.

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Jirah Cox: Totally right, so that the ability to you know.

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Jirah Cox: Let the humans on the team have a broader effect right manage a wider field of assets, because they’re all more efficient right they’re all more simplified from an operational standpoint.

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Jirah Cox: That gives you more time in your day lets you let your team get to more advanced and worthwhile projects time wise.

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Jirah Cox: As they’re planning out their their weeks in their sprints so simplicity, of course, at every level of the stack even from like the phoenix in citrix integration right you go into prison you say connect to citrix cloud and you’re done right you ready to deploy desktops and.

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Jirah Cox: And we actually have yeah the article here links to that later on YouTube video we have around citrix deploying 2000 desktops to a cluster on aws in under two hours right so super rapid time devalue their.

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Andy Whiteside: Right i’ve seen and done, you know traditional new techniques in the data Center a update on the thousand desktops and under 15 minutes.

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Andy Whiteside: Yes, patch one APP.

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Andy Whiteside: Right, I want to happen either patch I use machine creation service and the efficiency of the new tannic file system under that, and you know it happened, and the next user who logged in got the update and everybody after that got the update.

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Jirah Cox: here’s here’s a super easy one to TEE up for Andy do you think a hybrid environment with like.

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Jirah Cox: Students logging out all day all day long might need like frequent frequent updates to like everything under the sun.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah for sure I mean you got those that hopefully they’ve got a method of updating the applications in chunks know the guys at indiana university used to do three Apps at a time.

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Andy Whiteside: Either three new Apps or three updates at a time and they would resell their image up and yeah, but it was nonstop they have a whole team just patching that stuff and.

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Jirah Cox: Like yeah totally I think Sorry, I guess, to make explicit what I was making implicit in my question right.

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Jirah Cox: If I was running easy for a business that’s one thing right like my accounting team for marketing teams my it admin desktops I understand those users and use cases and end users and.

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Jirah Cox: And they work for the same company right we’re on the same team, if it was a student and and hired facility relationship right.

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Jirah Cox: boy I wouldn’t want to run it you see a moment that I would have log on to as a as a student I would be poking at all the fences all day long right like raptors just sort of like keep testing like kind of get through here can get through there you know.

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Jirah Cox: yeah patching probably patching and endpoint security crazy important.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah crazy important and ever evolving non stop and you got those pesky students in this case, which some of them might just like breaking stuff on for fun.

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Jirah Cox: I will neither confirm nor deny that sounds terrible who would do that.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah I got a quick story I live now close to where I grew up.

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Andy Whiteside: i’m on the board of directors, at my condo association and I made a joke, to the President, a couple months ago about when I was 22 I jumped over the fence when skinny dipping in the.

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Andy Whiteside: In the pool I thought it’d be funny I mean she was seriously upset at me I was like that was 25 years ago.

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Jirah Cox: I guess is.

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Andy Whiteside: My point, there is a we’re going to be mysterious at that age, and you know, maybe it comes back around someday.

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Jirah Cox: it’s it’s a it’s how I got my first job in, and it was at.

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Jirah Cox: University getting onto the dorm network was at the time, basically a kind of glorified MAC address whitelist.

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Jirah Cox: yeah, and so the you know every fall right the wait to get your MAC address entered was like very, very long right, so I like I went I fill out the form didn’t hear back.

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Jirah Cox: went to go check on it, and like hey just curious what’s going on here is it’s like a MAC white list and they’re like Oh, you know the MAC addresses hey do you want a job.

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Jirah Cox: yeah yeah absolutely right, because i’ll get on the network faster.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah the physical layer and the osi model and what a lot of people younger than us don’t even know exists is.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah there’s there’s still a lot of value in some knowing how that stuff works.

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Andy Whiteside: Okay, a number three faster deployments and consistent experience, this is the bread and butter of why hyper converge and specifically new tannic makes sense, whether it’s in a hyper scale or or in the data Center of your partner may ks integrity or in your own data Center.

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Andy Whiteside: What can we say about this it hasn’t already been said and proven.

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Jirah Cox: Just underlining right, the importance of of performance and end user satisfaction right like we’re deploying those desktops for a reason they’re not there for their own.

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Jirah Cox: Self serving goals like they’re there to help you know, an employee accomplish their tasks help a student accomplish their learning or testing or lab environments.

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Jirah Cox: You know and and it just couldn’t be more clear be more correlated that quality of experience is tied to productivity and satisfaction right people are going to want to learn more they will learn faster get their stuff done faster well that’s a positive experience right so.

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Jirah Cox: yeah I think we’re I think we’re past you see as a workload being.

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Jirah Cox: You know, when you first put on the whiteboard as a project like oh we’ll just tuck it away on some whatever is available compute and storage like it’s got to be a first class citizen.

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Jirah Cox: Because that user experience matters and the benefit that we bring any tax brings to that.

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Jirah Cox: conversation is that predictability right like my thousand desktop performs like my first desktop there’s no degradation, as I scale out because.

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Jirah Cox: You know you never know when you get that call and also, you have to double the size of the environment, you just never know right the on demand ness scalability matters more than ever yeah.

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Andy Whiteside: The closest thing I can equate this to which is starting to be something that falls on deaf ears, is going from a spinning hard drive in your PC to a ssd drive and and how things just seem magically so much better.

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Andy Whiteside: You know there’s there’s a generation that will never have spinning hard drive in their.

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Andy Whiteside: computer or in their tablet.

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Andy Whiteside: And they have no idea what i’m talking about but that’s what it feels like the first time you go to a.

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Andy Whiteside: New tactics hyper converged platform for your for your desktop virtualization workload it’s it’s like whatever was wrong before it’s still wrong but it’s so much faster you don’t care.

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Jirah Cox: yeah I mean that’s just that’s just a technology right like for report report, five years ago, took a week to compile and then now, it takes an hour to compile.

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Jirah Cox: If performance degrades to an hour and a half right 50% longer it’s like well, no one cares that five years ago, it took a week to do they care that now, it takes an hour and a half right go fix it so.

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Jirah Cox: That it.

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Jirah Cox: worked for performance is never ending.

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Andy Whiteside: read a report in salesforce this morning came back with 20,000 records or something and it took I don’t know 10 seconds or so, to come back.

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Andy Whiteside: And i’m sure this stuff’s running on you know high speed hyper converged stuff back in some data Center somewhere and i’m sitting there waiting waiting and I just can’t lead up to 10 seconds.

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Andy Whiteside: Where that might have taken the week.

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Andy Whiteside: 510 years ago.

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Jirah Cox: I certainly, of course.

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Jirah Cox: Whatever I am I am, however, old they have younger than someone older than others.

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Jirah Cox: But there was, I remember one time my REP and I were driving out I don’t know two hours or so for a sales call meeting and.

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Jirah Cox: My wake up, you know get in the car and start driving i’m navigating the whole way.

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Jirah Cox: The I got a strange call from an unknown number as i’m driving, so I better answer it on speakerphone it’s my REP he’s at a gas station and his cell phone’s dead that day.

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Jirah Cox: And he’s like hey I need directions on how to get here like what’s which exit off the highway is it, and then you know turn Left and Right and and it’s the third parking lot on the left or whatever.

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Jirah Cox: And i’m like Is this what sales is like in the 90s like I don’t like it, you know, like i’ve never.

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Jirah Cox: i’ve never done this job without a smartphone without navigation my hand my calendar in my hand i’ve never called into the whole office to get my missed calls in my notes or find out what’s next or look up something in a in a rolodex it’s a whole different world you know.

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Andy Whiteside: It is but occasionally, you have to go back to it and you have to know how it, how it worked yeah, how do you get, how do you put a map.

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Jirah Cox: I don’t if every.

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Andy Whiteside: road signs.

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Jirah Cox: I have no idea if the singularity occurs tomorrow if are not that singularity if the emp goes off tomorrow, like I won’t be won’t be any good and sales i’ll go i’ll go figure out how to how to plant weed.

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Andy Whiteside: Okay.

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Andy Whiteside: that’s not what I expect you to say but okay.

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Andy Whiteside: play.

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Jirah Cox: Really that’s not surprising to you that I would be completely useless without modern technology.

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Andy Whiteside: I think you’d be more valuable than you think, however, I think there’s certainly a generation of our peers in our generation that really couldn’t do it anymore and there’s a generation or two to come that.

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Andy Whiteside: will have no clue that I go back to my you know osi model and understanding how the network protocols work.

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Andy Whiteside: I don’t know how you do networking without knowing how that works, but apparently you don’t have to anymore, and maybe things like flow, or you know enablers to make that obfuscated from the need to know.

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Jirah Cox: I mean there definitely is a whole a whole shift coming right which i’m sure will be several future podcast episodes around.

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Jirah Cox: You know, once you’ve learned yeah layers one through seven and you could you could walk through like a campus level network diagram and understand sub nets and routing all that jazz.

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Jirah Cox: Applying that foundational learning to cloud networking changes so many things right like stretching layer two and availability and gateways.

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Jirah Cox: And clattering models right and the PCs you know it just is it takes all that up to the next level it almost it kind of doesn’t does not add like layers like, eight, nine and 10 to that model.

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Andy Whiteside: Does and I don’t think you have to understand the some of the sub layers anymore.

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Andy Whiteside: I mean I haven’t done enough cloud networking to tell you that you don’t have to have that background.

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Jirah Cox: I think it.

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Jirah Cox: depends right we’re probably living that experiment now right people are are absolutely jumping in to that part of the deep end without like you said Nina covering the you know the foundations.

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Jirah Cox: yeah I mean you know who knows, or even like that’s what kind what cloud networking.

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Jirah Cox: offers right as I just I click this button and now I have a new subnet and it just works right and I don’t have to route it or trinket or you know, create a veal and to go with it, I just say I want this I get it.

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Andy Whiteside: just get it, it just just happens.

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Jirah Cox: yeah well.

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Andy Whiteside: I appreciate you I cannot read today.

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Andy Whiteside: appreciate you jumping on and covering this topic.

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Andy Whiteside: Sorry Harvey couldn’t make it today, but we’ve got something that you and he wanted to cover that he said don’t cover without me so that’ll leave people with a little suspense.

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Jirah Cox: fan by it’s gonna be good.

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Andy Whiteside: I think the highlight something on harvey’s behalf is harvey’s a running our state Local Education business going forward.

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Andy Whiteside: As well as still being one of the leaders in the company from a technologist perspective which that’s how is integrity roles right we’re we’re not a bunch of business guys that started a company went out and found a bunch of.

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Andy Whiteside: engineers to make our dreams come true were engineers that are trying to make our business dreams come true, but harvey’s really busy with the helping to grow that business and adding value and that’s kinda that’s his integrity way.

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Andy Whiteside: So with that I appreciate joining in we’ll do it again a week.

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Jirah Cox: Next week, thanks.