47: Nutanix Weekly: Kickstart 2022 By Simplifying Your Database Operations

Mar 22, 2022

新年快樂! Wishing those who celebrate a prosperous and healthy Year of the Tiger! With new year celebrations, comes resolve. Usually everyone does this one January 1, but it’s never too late to celebrate the new year and make a new resolve. 2022 is in full swing and that means understanding your database challenges and simplifying that complexity should be at the top of your priority list. Let’s make this a New Year’s Resolution for IT to deliver. Nutanix has partnered with HPE to power up your databases for impactful business performance through the powerful combination of Nutanix Era® database manager on HPE’s Greenlake® offering. Database management can be just as tedious as your server sprawl. That’s why management of costs to align with actual usage and supporting rapid deployment is critical. This has become essential for enterprises and even large international retailers, especially as they journey between holiday sales and new product launches a new year can bring.

It can be done! A Nutanix customer, an international retailer, not only survived, but thrived when harnessing HPE GreenLake with Nutanix Era for database management to simplify their database administration, enable rapid deployment, and move to a true consumption-based cost model. HPE GreenLake in combination with Nutanix Era helped this retailer deliver the outcomes that their business demanded.

Host: Andy Whiteside
Co-host: Harvey Green
Co-host: Jirah Cox

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Andy Whiteside: Hello everyone, welcome to episode 47 of new tannic weekly i’m your host Andy whiteside i’m back in the saddle but guys didn’t really need me I listened to both the podcast you guys did it was it was rather entertaining informative.

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Jirah Cox: Those are two of our goals, but it’s nice to be back end welcome back.

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Andy Whiteside: I heard you making fun of me and automation so.

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Andy Whiteside: For the record, I like good automation I don’t like bad automation.

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Andy Whiteside: that’s.

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Jirah Cox: Reasonable reasonable viewpoint.

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Harvey Green: I was just making sure it was good automation and I had to do it.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah you’re right you’re right it’s good it’s good to automate things that are worthy of being automated and the process is good, to start with.

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Harvey Green: is right that Jerry guy he’ll automate anything.

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Andy Whiteside: So, speaking of direct driver Cox here’s our everything new tactics guy subject matter expert well known, if I ever get in a situation where need to validate myself and you can’t fix people I just mentioned divers name.

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Andy Whiteside: And the fact I do a podcast with him and all of a sudden.

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Things are good old.

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Andy Whiteside: jr I don’t know where you got that shirt from I want those shirts that’s got a it’s like a deal well with a bunch of containers on it a docker shirt.

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Jirah Cox: yeah this I mean Jesus must be.

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Jirah Cox: I want to go with vm world 2011 2012 yeah way back I like that.

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Andy Whiteside: That one of those docker ship sitting out in the port somewhere they can’t get in or is that has that been solved is there is that still an issue and.

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Andy Whiteside: I don’t watch the news that much and they haven’t been talking about it they’ve other things, to talk about so we start with a container ships sitting down port somewhere.

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Jirah Cox: I have been a while, since I saw headlines like that scroll by.

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Harvey Green: i’m guessing is still an issue.

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Andy Whiteside: it’s not as pressing issue.

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Jirah Cox: dollar.

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Jirah Cox: You know guessing there’s still supply chain hiccups somewhere.

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Andy Whiteside: When we did a we did a podcast on.

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Andy Whiteside: What new tactics, is doing with red hat and what Cooper nettie mm hmm few months ago.

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Andy Whiteside: I got a kid a high school now college kid started talking about maybe working with us someday and he’s all into containers and.

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Andy Whiteside: Just funny to hear i’m talking about that as a strategy, whereas you know I I still talking about vm I don’t talk about containers, so I know i’m old school and not in the APP world the way I should be.

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Jirah Cox: able to live in both worlds it’s it’s not even within with a single company, not a single switch to flip.

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Andy Whiteside: So.

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Jirah Cox: gotta gotta live in both worlds.

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Andy Whiteside: i’ve been listening to a podcast and I want to share with my team, because it talks about IBM vs Microsoft back in the day and I wonder how many people.

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Andy Whiteside: You know, modern age younger people understand how that went down and how Microsoft.

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Andy Whiteside: I won’t say stole but how Microsoft was able to get the code for the windows operating system dos.

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Andy Whiteside: dos and windows early windows when they were developing it for IBM.

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Jirah Cox: I heard it was referenced sort of is like a like a well known truism like they didn’t really explain it on a podcast about someone being out of the office at IBM like when it came time to do the contract of view it’s kind of slipped through some cracks they’re.

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Jirah Cox: going to know that i’m like wow I need to read up on that.

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Andy Whiteside: This podcast and tie when it talked about was you know Bill Gates with IBM and said hey i’ll do the whole project for this amount and i’d be like oh that’s cheap, are you sure you guys.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah just just let me have the code, let me have the libraries and the code base for it and i’ll just do the whole project, and I can maybe sell it to other people someday later.

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Andy Whiteside: I went down but IBM said sure no problem that was that changed everything.

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Jirah Cox: and winning strategy.

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Harvey Green: That makes me feel too, because it it harkens a time when they used to call the PCs IBM compatible.

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Andy Whiteside: Well, that was the whole takeaway is they didn’t realize that that meant other.

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Andy Whiteside: Software makers, which is where the real money is can then turn around and write their software for other vendors and IBM wouldn’t have this lockdown ecosystem that they control their destiny.

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Andy Whiteside: The way, maybe apple does with the MacIntosh and that’s where IBM went from being a most powerful technology coming on the planet to just being what they are, today, which still big company, but not what they could have been.

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Harvey Green: yeah that that just makes me laugh to that.

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Harvey Green: But when you said MacIntosh and made me think that’s probably the first time that you actually have to sprout spell out the abbreviation and not the long term, most people just know it as MAC.

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Andy Whiteside: That was a pivotal moment well that’s the voice of Harvey green most you guys know and superfruit most polite I mean i’m senior listen to the podcast last week i’m in an rv he’s just a really likable dude oh gosh.

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Andy Whiteside: I was like no wonder, people like him more than me.

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Harvey Green: cut it out.

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Andy Whiteside: That much and not be like Okay, so we we picked a blog for today, it says kickstart by simplifying your database operations.

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Andy Whiteside: And I know this has been out for a month or so, but we thought it was appropriate for a couple reasons one.

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Andy Whiteside: The conversation around era, I new tactics about that IBM new techniques era that was a very hot topic last week and hymns.

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Andy Whiteside: And we have a workshop coming up monthly now I think i’m going to start doing an error workshop, and so we want to bring more attention to that, according to the new tannic guys, we talked to you there’s a there’s a lot of demand to talk about here, and as a lot of problems it solves.

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Harvey Green: Yes, that is correct.

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Andy Whiteside: So Harvey will will bring it to you first, why did you enjoy think that this was a topic we should cover.

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Harvey Green: Well that’s that’s a great question so.

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Harvey Green: As you kind of just talked about it is a hot topic that a lot of people are talking about, it is also a very important topic eats even outside of people talking about it because before they were talking about it, it was important enough to work on.

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Harvey Green: I mean.

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Harvey Green: We we’ve talked.

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Harvey Green: For years and years and years and I know people.

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Harvey Green: Are have heard in are used to the term vm sprawl.

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Harvey Green: The the new one right, how is database for all because they’re everywhere, you need them for everything.

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Harvey Green: You know how these used to be, you know these very small databases and you could have one database server and you know have everything you need it be hosted by that one.

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Harvey Green: is just gotten way more complex, since then, and you know needing to have a test environment and QA and you know Dev and all of these environments that you want to make sure that.

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Harvey Green: you’ve got data in, and you know, being able to manage backups that come with that and the way that they’re built and.

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Harvey Green: Dare I say automating the build process so that you know you’ll have some consistency around that it just became a very, very big hassle and everybody doesn’t have.

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Harvey Green: The knowledge and resources to handle it in a in a impactful way in a good way, so they need help and Lo and behold mechanics gave them help.

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Andy Whiteside: So I haven’t been a systems administrator for know I guess 15 years now, maybe a little more, and even then, I had a little databases over here, though databases over there, so gyro are you guys still see in that that’s a that’s a common problem.

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Jirah Cox: Totally every job i’ve worked every customer talk to you know could just rattle off a dozen different products that.

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Jirah Cox: You know the installer goes next next next you know provide your sequel connection details here finish right they sort of a bring your own database to run the software kind of a.

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Jirah Cox: design and that’s that’s best case worst case, it might even be like you know.

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Jirah Cox: Give me the media i’ll install it for you or it’s automated or it’s even more opinionated on how it needs to connect or how did you set up.

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Jirah Cox: All kinds of wild stuff I think the answer for the value of what we’re talking about it is right there in the title right it’s its simplicity and databases right so like.

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Jirah Cox: databases, probably the heart of every environment, some of the most critical data, the most important data, and also the part of the environment needs most performance everything talks to it gets data in it in it out of it does the analytics on it.

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Jirah Cox: You know the criticality of the data it’s pretty apparent, but then also the simplicity right so like it’s sort of this necessary evil that everyone has and wrangles and deals with and provisions.

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Jirah Cox: And then quite topical right or timely it’s 2022 you know virtually every customer I talked to has opened REX open headcount is looking for the right people.

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Jirah Cox: That ability to say what if we brought simplicity does environment right to what the folks we have on staff do more with their time get more out of their day.

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Jirah Cox: spend less time doing busy work being a provisioning all that good stuff let’s do more of that good automation there’s so much value there.

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Andy Whiteside: So a couple things is it database for or database and database servers father or their servers and mediums I hope at least vm going along with all this pros are just a bunch of databases powered up on a couple database servers.

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Harvey Green: Be all of the above.

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Jirah Cox: yeah absolutely be both yeah.

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Andy Whiteside: Okay.

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Andy Whiteside: Well, as we talked through this I.

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Andy Whiteside: kind of want to know where era solves that challenge, and how.

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Andy Whiteside: I used to get into arguments, a little bit where I would say hey you know it it’s not about infrastructure it’s about the applications and applications are the number one most important thing, and I did have someone.

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Andy Whiteside: Or maybe multiple times and say hey it’s not the applications is the data that matters I guess it’s fair to say that you can’t have one without the other and they’re useless without each other.

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Jirah Cox: Was it that or I mean it’s also kind of like the old joke about the blind men and the elephant right like oh it’s a tree oh it’s a snake, you know.

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Jirah Cox: Oh it’s a giant rock it’s like well you know the network, I would say the network’s most important part right the storage storage most important part.

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Jirah Cox: But and then but they’re both right like is that the data is the database is the application will they’re all useless without the other right so.

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Jirah Cox: Probably a bit of an academic debate to pick which ones most important they’re all critical and required.

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Harvey Green: Here that joke from you and.

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Jirah Cox: I did a terrible job of it you’ve heard that before.

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Jirah Cox: Man listen to direct Google on a podcast blind men and the elephant, this is what people tuned in.

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Andy Whiteside: I just wonder if the blind man was like smell and taste death for something he didn’t smell.

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Harvey Green: Like that you said, listening to gyro Google on a podcast.

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Harvey Green: So you kind of let everybody know that you’re not googling every other time right oh.

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Jirah Cox: You got to advertise it brings in the crowds man.

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Jirah Cox: Okay, a group of blackness is from Wikipedia a group of blind men heard that a strange animal called an elephant and brought the town.

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Jirah Cox: None of them were aware of its shape or form Out of curiosity, they said, we must inspect it note by touch, which we are capable of, so I sought it out found.

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Jirah Cox: found out about the elephant, the first person whose hand landed on the trunk said it’s, this being a stick like a snake.

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Jirah Cox: For another one who’s had reached the ear they’re like oh no the animal is shaped like a fan a third person in touch the leg and said well this thing is shaped like a tree.

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Jirah Cox: The other blind man touched the side of the elephant and said it’s like a wall, the one who have to grab the tail said it’s like a rope.

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Jirah Cox: want to grab the tasks that it’s like a spear you know smooth but long and hard so that’s the analogy of you know your perspective matters and shapes your opinions on something.

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Jirah Cox: it’s not a joke it’s a story it’s a parable sorry.

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Harvey Green: Ah, got it.

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Andy Whiteside: What about the other guy standing beside the guy who grabbed to tell what what happened there.

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Jirah Cox: left as an exercise up to the reader.

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Andy Whiteside: This try.

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Andy Whiteside: This trunks got a hole in it.

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Andy Whiteside: it’s tree trunks gonna hold in its rocks got his formations got all.

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Andy Whiteside: All right, well, I think we’ve kind of talked about the challenge, I think the well sort of the.

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Andy Whiteside: The article, the blog setup with the challenge of every year at the end of the year that a lot of retailers that have to spin up a bunch of repositories.

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Andy Whiteside: And that creates just more mess and that mess begets more mess every year and the next thing you got whole elephant worth the databases.

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Jirah Cox: yeah there you go.

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Jirah Cox: yeah the framing story of the blog post here talks about.

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Jirah Cox: yeah one specific retailer right and their journey to evaluate right and solve for this problem.

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Jirah Cox: Around things like seasonal surges need for rapid deployment or to shrink deployment times.

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Jirah Cox: And then also operating as a global retailer right, how do I standardize and speed operations globally right, not just have one giant Center of excellence, I need you know multiple of them.

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Jirah Cox: Now.

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Andy Whiteside: So the solution talks about HP HP enterprise green lake with new tannic error, can you, what do you guys are valid you start, because I think you’ve been working with these guys on lately what is HP green like.

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Harvey Green: So green lake and you set me up for failure here but i’ll try it green lake is a program that will allow for customers to basically take.

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Harvey Green: A either a mix or all capital expenditures and represent it to them in an op ex model.

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Harvey Green: sort of allows for the customer, to be able to actually have the the purchasing power of a one time purchase but have that be set up in payments so that they can actually have something that fits more of an operating expense model.

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Harvey Green: And that is you know something that you can do with.

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Harvey Green: With hardware or with services licenses anything that any partnership or vendor partnership that HP has becomes something that is a possibility for you and we’re discussing it today with.

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Harvey Green: Being able to partner HP green lake with the new tannic era, so that that kind of leads us to where we are and hopefully I hit that what.

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Andy Whiteside: Does that mean you get a you get a bunch of hardware and it is purely paying for the amount of the hardware you’re using.

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Harvey Green: So yes, you do get us, yes, a great point to you do get the ability to get in the hardware, you need, but also some headroom on that.

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Harvey Green: you’re paying for what you use, and when you need the headroom you already have it, and when you start filling that headroom that you have there, then they will work with you on.

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Harvey Green: Getting some additional hardware and or licensing in to take you to basically the next level so as you grow it can grow with you, but again it’s an operating expense model, so what grows, as well as that is just the amount that you’re paying per month for that.

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Andy Whiteside: So.

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Jirah Cox: For the way the article describes it right it’s cloud where you need it right so whether that’s at the edge in the data Center anywhere in between it’s that ability to say I need here and and just grow that as your operating expenses, you know agreement with HP.

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Andy Whiteside: So you had this big pie basically and you’re putting the compute wherever you need it.

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Jirah Cox: yeah yes.

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Andy Whiteside: So that can be in a partner data Center it can be in your on premises data centers or or cloud option for this to.

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Jirah Cox: Probably yeah so yeah a lot of flexibility, and the reason why it matters is because.

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Jirah Cox: So with green link, giving us sort of like cloud platform right because green light runs mechanics fantastically as a cloud platform as a service, where we need it then era is.

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Jirah Cox: database of the service, wherever you needed right the dead air by itself lets you take infrastructure, you know running mechanics and.

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Jirah Cox: go back to your business and say now, we have on Prem database as a service right, so you can you know get a coi or a ui or However, your application owners when they interact with with the team.

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Jirah Cox: You know automated through service now whatever you want to say I want new databases i’m wanting to database servers I want database replication I wanted to be protection all as a service.

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Jirah Cox: that the value of that is is huge, but when you stack them on top of infrastructure as a service as well Well now, you can just say yes to a whole bunch of problems at once right like.

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Jirah Cox: Yes, I can stand that up in that data Center yes, I can stand it up in that partner environment, yes, I can stand it up at the edge, you know, wherever it’s needed right, these are all simple problems to solve, now.

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Andy Whiteside: So that’s that’s pretty easy to understand when you’re talking about new tannic right cuz you’ve got this compute plus storage in that compute.

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Andy Whiteside: Some some architecture of that and then, I guess, so does this Green lake stuff does it phone home and tell the mothership when you’re consuming 80% of it and somebody needs to send more.

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Harvey Green: But yes, you, you get to continue to utilize the the knowledge you already have around the new tannic solutions and then you have.

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Jirah Cox: will encourage you, as a customer to build a database silo right like this is my cluster for sequel This is my cluster for Oracle what have you.

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Jirah Cox: And so licensing really drives us to that conversation right or once in a while like extreme dedicated performance right like i’m going to buy this and I want every single megahertz every single megabyte dedicated to the databases for this one application.

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Harvey Green: Working is i’m going to say this Friday, but I know the podcast doesn’t always interact with us exactly the same day, so I will say it is on Friday march 20 Friday march 25 there you go well.

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Jirah Cox: Right so it’s safe to say, if you don’t care about Costa database sprawl if you have unlimited space for storing lots of copies of the same data over and over again.

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Andy Whiteside: You have to be a database expert, or is this a way to simplify and lower the curve, a little bit.

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Jirah Cox: know it absolutely supports sorry I know we’re kind of we’re landing here, but like to go deeper one more second it really supports the current trend in the industry right of empowering generalists to do more right because that’s that’s another way of simplifying both.

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Jirah Cox: Well that’s empowering right it’s democratizing anybody can do that my APP owners can do that right, I can put that in service now if I wanted to so so for sure it absolutely.

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Jirah Cox: If you do great era can stand that up for you right whether that’s sequel AG, whether that’s like Oracle RAC like you can.

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Jirah Cox: And I will replicate with the tax and be able to recover it somewhere else as well, taking a little bit of downtime while the vm boots up right yeah cool.

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Jirah Cox: Are Well, no, you should come to the workshop right, then you really feel like a big risk.

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Andy Whiteside: i’ll be working somewhere else next week and trying to get a DVD job.

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Andy Whiteside: Can I can do it now, maybe well Gentlemen, I appreciate it for Monday it’s been great, and I am ready for this date, have you ever i’ve got a i’ve got a homeowner’s association meeting that I desperately do not want to go to but that’s where i’m headed next so it never ends, but.

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Harvey Green: How to go.

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Andy Whiteside: My wife likes to say I bring that upon myself and she’s probably right.

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Jirah Cox: I was just thinking that’s usually a problem of your own making like those are actually optional yeah.

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Andy Whiteside: No, nobody forced me to sign up to be on the Hoa board, I thought it would be good that’d be helpful, what I found out, though, is i’m not like Harvey people don’t just like me and.

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Andy Whiteside: Now half neighborhood now half neighborhood.

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Andy Whiteside: Alright guys well, I appreciate it have a.

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Andy Whiteside: Rest enjoy the rest of your Monday and have a good week.

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