IGEL Weekly: Installing the Distributed IGEL UMS

May 31, 2022

This podcast describes how to install the Distributed IGEL Universal Management Suite (UMS). Detailed information on the Distributed UMS can be found under Installing an IGEL UMS Server on the IGEL knowledge base. 

The following concepts apply:

if you plan a new installation of the Distributed UMS

if you already have a standard UMS installation but want to switch to the Distributed UMS

Host: Patrick Toner
Co-host: Chris Feeney

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Patrick Toner: Hello everyone, welcome to Z INTEGRA Joe weekly we’re on episode 51 this week, thank you for joining i’m joined this week by Chris Fini for my job, Chris how you doing.

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Chris Feeney: doing well, thanks i’m sorry I missed the last few just things have picked up travel wise and then I scheduled and kind of nutty on our normal Tuesday, when we record this so i’m glad to be back, I cannot believe we’ve crossed 50 already we’re at 51 pretty cool man.

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Patrick Toner: And we’re saying last week, you know we get to 100 we’re going to do fireworks from steps house.

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Patrick Toner: So we’ll do some German fireworks that’s how we’re going to kick it off, I didn’t I failed to introduce myself, my name is Patrick toner i’m filling in for Andy this week.

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Patrick Toner: Andy and SAP neither of them could join us this week so Chris and I are gonna kind of be just talking through a cool new feature with agile Chris you know it’s good to see you survived did the monsoon down there I you know you guys got some bad weather.

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Chris Feeney: yeah we did it was a I know there’s others that are probably dealing with worse, but we had a slew of storms one came by the afternoon very bad.

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Chris Feeney: My phone’s lighting up with power outages stuff we didn’t lose power, but we lost for crying out loud, we lost the Internet for hours so.

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Chris Feeney: I don’t know how I survived honestly I really I was you know, I was.

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Chris Feeney: Almost forgot all those you know life saving skills that you learned early on in life and part of leave how crippled you can be without the Internet so hotspots it was choppy bars on my phone, but we got we got through it we survive.

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Patrick Toner: I wonder, you know, like those escape room things if you put a bunch of it guys into different rooms it’s a here do your job, and took their Internet away I don’t know that we’d be able to do it, I mean.

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Chris Feeney: I can tell you this, I with the last.

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Chris Feeney: 15 plus years i’ve been.

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Chris Feeney: getting close to 20 now, I believe.

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Chris Feeney: I couldn’t do my remote job without the Internet for me as a remote employee, for the last decade, plus I thank goodness we had webex.

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Chris Feeney: Back in the day that was really the tool that I began to use early on to you know connect remotely and you know do all that stuff I mean obviously a lot to come along since then.

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Chris Feeney: But I mean without Internet broadband, I mean a lot of us would be doing the commuting thing going into work ethic thing so.

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Chris Feeney: yeah when it’s down.

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Chris Feeney: it’s.

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Chris Feeney: where’s the nearest panera you know, generally, what I speed.

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Patrick Toner: So I mean.

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Patrick Toner: Even for tasks all right, like, I obviously we couldn’t function with getting on a zoom call things like that, but even a lot of the tasks we do right.

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Patrick Toner: Like if I can’t look at my notes, which are in the cloud and be able to Google search things i’m kind of rendered useless at that point.

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Patrick Toner: And I haven’t say that’s that’s probably most people in the technology field, you know some things I retained, but you know if I don’t have my notes it’s not like I can’t I don’t keep any paper and pen anymore it’s all you know, in the cloud.

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Chris Feeney: yeah it does beg the question you know because i’ve I remember when I, my first job at college I got my first computer at work and I had gone through college using a day timer and that literally saved my life, I mean it’s well.

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Chris Feeney: save me from becoming just completely useless in college, I was very disciplined and time management and.

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Chris Feeney: That you know just making sure I knew when was going on, but I didn’t have a computer didn’t have a phone none of that stuff it was just that thing that really.

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Chris Feeney: kept me going.

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Chris Feeney: I got away from that when I got my first computer in the palm pilot began to emerge, and when I had enough money, I went I said try that thing that looks really cool and.

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Chris Feeney: You know kind of get away from what was working and thinking technology would be that that thing, but even those early years you were sinking and then, when you got back you did offline and sink back there wasn’t a wireless like it is today or broadband or any of that stuff.

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Chris Feeney: So it does make me think like you know, obviously there’s tremendous.

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Chris Feeney: I mean if, as your goes down right, I mean there’s plenty of like options to still get in there right if that’s where your stuff might reside.

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Chris Feeney: versus one single data Center two data centers but.

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Chris Feeney: anyways.

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Chris Feeney: Yes.

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Chris Feeney: If you don’t have Internet, how can you know what are your options offline mode kind of thing.

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Patrick Toner: Well, I think we may have unintentionally segue into our article today talking about the importance of where your data lives and how you access it.

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Chris Feeney: That was completely unplanned but.

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Patrick Toner: i’m planning.

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Chris Feeney: circled right around to this topic of great import I should say.

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Patrick Toner: Exactly one bad joke leads to a segway it’s good and I just went through a public and I noticed myself in the camera here i’m drinking out of a red solo Cup, I just want to make a public service announcement that it is coffee iced coffee all of my there you go.

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Chris Feeney: It is an Irish.

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Chris Feeney: Coffee tea.

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Patrick Toner: Yes, here’s to be just make it clear, all my all my glasses and belonging user base it packed away right now.

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Chris Feeney: And I know you’re a closet toby Keith and.

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Patrick Toner: Not like meredith from the office, I just want to make that clear.

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Chris Feeney: it’s called.

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Chris Feeney: Korean red solo Cup.

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Chris Feeney: opus iced coffee.

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Patrick Toner: I haven’t dragon out a red solo cup at nine in the morning, so I was like 2023 probably.

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Chris Feeney: Right is it clean your cares.

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Patrick Toner: yeah yeah I think it was clean, I think, so this is our fine China we pack away our lives into a pod so.

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Chris Feeney: Ah that’s right when is the big order.

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Patrick Toner: yeah big move comes up with to be out of our House tomorrow so we’re moving our House tomorrow, we have a rental in the interim.

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Patrick Toner: Our House down in Florida should be ready they’re saying like beginning of July now so we’ll see see how it goes hopefully end of June is still possible, but.

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Patrick Toner: we’ll see you man i’m hoping i’m open to just gonna get to your quick sooner rather than later, so I can get this thing on loaded and get the move behind me, you know just.

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Patrick Toner: tyrion was anyway.

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Patrick Toner: Alright alright so let’s i’m going to share my screen here we’re going to talk about a new feature.

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Patrick Toner: that’s come out recently in us so Chris brought this to my attention, and you know I actually was not aware of it until we were just chatting before the podcast so.

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Patrick Toner: You know, traditionally, Chris and correct me here from wrong, you know I gel always had two ways of installing two main ways customers install you, Ms one is a standalone your message which uses an embedded database, the embedded database is of course Apache Derby.

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Patrick Toner: Really solid there’s there’s customers doing that and production.

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Patrick Toner: And then, of course, you have your enterprise type customers or customers who maybe they’re not a large enterprise, but they have a requirement for high availability, so I just had an Hoa mode.

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Patrick Toner: Where you would have to use an external database like a sequel or an oracle and then you can have multiple us servers with a token trust connecting to.

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Patrick Toner: This sequel database, but now we have another option here called distributed you, Ms and Chris i’ll just let you kind of explain it, you were describing to me but.

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Patrick Toner: let’s talk let’s talk through it, as we have it up here on the screen what is what is just distributed us and why what might a customer consider this instead of ha if that’s a requirement for them.

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Chris Feeney: Well, I think it’s a couple things it simplifies it also provides the same functionality, as what we had with an AJ the other pieces to the AJ component, along with a little bit more complexity to getting it up and running or additional ports that were required.

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Chris Feeney: for incoming to the server right plus load balancers a variety of things you know, and this is all covered in our I just certified architect course, but the distributed you, Ms feature was not in there, because we just literally came out with it and you, Ms version six dot 10.

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Chris Feeney: I think the nice thing here is that.

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Chris Feeney: it’s just a simple when you install you a mess, for the first time, and you want to take advantage of this feature obviously you need to have a third party.

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Chris Feeney: Third party to make a external database and we talked about earlier, but you would just check a box and it also simplifies well what ports are needed.

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Chris Feeney: To be open to communicate with umass and that type of thing it just sort of simplifies it, but it allows for something like all right i’m gonna have my database and let’s say.

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Chris Feeney: A data Center in the central United States my you’re my server let’s assume i’m going to do it in a cloud environment i’ll put that in the East and i’ll set it up it’ll connect in and.

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Chris Feeney: it’ll communicate back to that database to assume that the back end these databases are our backend communication is you know gigabit easily maybe more.

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Chris Feeney: And then you want to set up a second one somewhere else, and point at the same database.

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Chris Feeney: might have a physical separate data Center but allows you to kind of share that database and a lot of the messaging tween the.

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Chris Feeney: What was normally done through.

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Chris Feeney: The AJ functionality, a lot of those now happening inside the database itself in the distributed you, Ms mode so well there’s a lot to kind of dig through here.

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Chris Feeney: I am just getting used to it myself, because it is it’s fairly new.

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Chris Feeney: But I think it’s kind of setting the stage for.

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Chris Feeney: What we had talked about you know, probably some time ago.

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Chris Feeney: Putting US Data databases in a cloud environment as your aws, for example, this is kind of really moving in that direction where.

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Chris Feeney: You are leveraging those environments, but you only require like one port or something like that to actually communicate into into it, that could be through an ice obviously talking to us so.

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Patrick Toner: So yeah I mean you know i’m looking at this, you know reading through it, you know, the one thing that sticks out to me is cross sub that communication for the cloud environments I guys heard of it as possible, you know before with ha.

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Patrick Toner: You know it’s my understanding and correct me from wrong here, Chris that you will always want the let’s say you had to your servers and you had a sequel database, you would want them in the same data Center was is that accurate that you know with traditional idle availability.

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Chris Feeney: Yes, in fact, a little further down if you scroll further down just below you’ll notice under the characteristic features, I could go up a little bit more.

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Chris Feeney: Under the ha this load balancers you must serve as the badges must reside on the same V land.

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Chris Feeney: And there’s no support for cloud environments like azure and aws.

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Chris Feeney: That is now possible with the umass distributed us feature, excuse me so.

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Chris Feeney: So I think it’s kind of heading in that direction that we were talking about earlier and then just chit chatting about things being in the cloud.

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Chris Feeney: But I know that there was you know customer demand for this type of thing, and obviously.

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Chris Feeney: It simplifies things greatly because you don’t have to worry about additional servers or features, like the Ms load balancing capability.

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Chris Feeney: Anyway, so this is just said is brand new I don’t know how many people are actually using it yet.

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Chris Feeney: But it’s definitely something to be considered as you are either spinning up a brand new environment or maybe preparing for something where they can expand even further and just take advantage of this new feature.

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Patrick Toner: Well, and you mentioned something else there, which is crucial right support ability right, so if you’re a customer who’s in the cloud, you know i’m i’m working with customers quite a bit like that.

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Patrick Toner: Who, they have a charter like hey listen any new servers they’re not going in our data Center so it needs it needs to be SAS or it needs to be hosted in azure aws.

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Patrick Toner: So you know there’s Nigel customer potential agile customer were you know that’s something that they their their bosses said to them hey listen any any net new servers have to be in the cloud, this is huge right now now you have a fully supported way of doing.

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Patrick Toner: It basically a high availability option for your for your us solution.

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Chris Feeney: yeah exactly right, and I think it’s just simplifies it right.

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Chris Feeney: They as far as the the load balancing piece DNS round Robin a round Robin thing is that really a word us round Robin would be.

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Chris Feeney: that’s right we don’t edit on this podcast we just kind of plow right through.

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Patrick Toner: I want to know you on that one I probably use that.

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Patrick Toner: Round Robin.

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Chris Feeney: It sounds like a 50 song you off whatever but but yeah DNS round Robin load balancing would be would be used in this.

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Chris Feeney: distributor us feature.

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Chris Feeney: Some of those folks may or yell out there, using it, but that’s that’s really what we’re what we’re looking at here so.

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Patrick Toner: yeah i’m gonna i’m gonna pull up to your point, you know just just just for a visual of how the traditional model would work with load balancers and ha it so it was a little complicated, you know, and so, if I did see here.

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Patrick Toner: I think if I go to, or is this just going to start diagram.

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Patrick Toner: Here you go, you know mess installation diagrams and type So if I did here so here now, we have ha or distributed so that’s that’s kind of cool here.

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Chris Feeney: So that’s Nice that they update it and just so you know, since we’re recording video.

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Chris Feeney: If you get to the knowledge base look in the upper right corner and you’ll see like next to English 610 latest to make sure you’re always.

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Chris Feeney: you’re not you’re not pointing at some link that is not the latest if you click that drop down up in the upper right corner you’ll notice and so that’s where this this page will get refreshed.

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Chris Feeney: i’m actually adding in the link to the chat where we can go and how, how does actually distributed feature get installed but.

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Chris Feeney: But yeah you can see here the complexity.

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Chris Feeney: involved when doing the aging method and then and now we’ve got the distributed option so.

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Chris Feeney: So, which one is this.

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Patrick Toner: This is large environment this large AJ that includes a nice etc and kind of remove if you look at the bottom right quadrant here anyone listening, you know basically.

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Patrick Toner: Just to keep it simple within the traditional model, you have multiple servers you have each load balancer has to be its own server correct Chris.

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Patrick Toner: Yes, and so you have you know up here, you know you’re going to two servers.

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Patrick Toner: That are running your you know your AJ us servers and then you’re gonna have two servers that are just uses load balancers so you’re right away, and the you and basically the minimum requirements for these.

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Patrick Toner: For each of the services for cpus really means is six gigs or seven I would say it’s probably more like 12 gigs per server.

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Chris Feeney: So.

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Patrick Toner: For cpus 1212 gigs maybe 100 gigs of you only it’s only need 25 gigs hard drive space, but that’s your you’re saving quite a bit of resources just cutting out to those servers or Thursday that’s actually pretty substantial.

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Patrick Toner: Especially when you’re talking about cloud right where you have paying monthly for each each instance right.

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Chris Feeney: yeah absolutely I mean we could probably run a calculator I know i’ve seen on the at portal that either.com you can kind of run through a calculation and come out with a cost estimate.

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Chris Feeney: And you could do that with the traditional ha option and then do it again with the distributed and see see what’s reduced there so.

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Chris Feeney: So yeah we’re was so now, you have to us server let’s say you want to put the Web APP on each of those so let’s say that’s 12 gigs of Ram.

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Chris Feeney: There is no ha feature turned on and so.

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Chris Feeney: We just kind of go through and select that and.

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Chris Feeney: start off with one server and then you could add a second one.

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Chris Feeney: Point at the same database.

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Chris Feeney: And now you’ve got to do not servers.

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Chris Feeney: Using the same database communicating together serving your customers so.

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Patrick Toner: You know another good Chris i’m sorry.

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Chris Feeney: i’d say, if you want to at some point we can transition to how does it actually get installed there’s an article that walks through how the distributed DNS server is installed.

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Chris Feeney: But.

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Patrick Toner: yeah look real quick, let me mention one other thing, and you know we’ll hop into that you know you kind of mentioned the ports but I mean this is another thing in the distributed mode, you only need.

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Patrick Toner: You know 8443 for basically your your files be pushed down but traditionally under AJ each server need all these crazy ports over the 661 5560 61,006 16.

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Patrick Toner: And so you had to open up additional courts, I mean it just it’s less steps when when you’re an admin and you have to go to info SEC and say hey I need all these ports opens and then they’re going to scrutinize you for every single one of them.

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Patrick Toner: You know it’s one less step for the for the admin say hey I want i’m gonna throw agile in nature, a mode and this new distributed mode I don’t need this traditional mode and have all these other ports that I need open.

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Chris Feeney: I think that that’s a great point, especially let’s say we’re not using clouds that we’re just using traditional database i’m sorry.

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Chris Feeney: Data centers.

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Chris Feeney: it’s still less ports, you know yeah you know, on the Fed side when I was covering their.

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Chris Feeney: They had you know servers on strict V lands and we had to get the server the firewall folks to open up so we could communicate.

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Chris Feeney: Thankfully it wasn’t a ton to open up but we made me sure that the typical ones were there.

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Chris Feeney: But this is a kind of simplifying that recognizing that less is more that’s a good way to put it.

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Chris Feeney: But what we’ve got on the screen now is sort of a high this feature is actually installed so.

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Chris Feeney: let’s assume we have a brand new server we’re going to spin up and install you a mess on it.

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Patrick Toner: you’re very good, you know I think you know as i’m thinking through this I mean I can’t think of any scenario really where somebody would want to do the traditional.

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Patrick Toner: AJ now that this is an option, let me give you can you think of any is there is there a scenario where the traditional model is still fit.

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Patrick Toner: And I you know I can’t think of a you know, a single admin who’s going to look at those two options ago okay one more complicated, and I have one that’s going to make my life, a little easier, I mean look at the end of day we’re kind of lazy people in the in the.

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Chris Feeney: I think it’s I think about this, I love, my friend RON narrow he’s not I wouldn’t call them lazy I mean the guy crushes things off the list, but he if he can find a way to simplify and get the same thing done but maybe take it from 10 steps down to one or two and it gets the same result.

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Chris Feeney: disclaimer forgot that to mention really on that definitely not a Johnny rocket scientist on this new feature, so there might have been things that we said, hopefully not that are actually incorrect, but I think we’ve tried to make sure that we’ve kind of covered the basis here.

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Chris Feeney: But if you hear this podcast and you have actually tested this feature out or whatever comments certainly would be welcome.

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Chris Feeney: feedback, but I think my perspective, it seems like it gets the job done without the less complexity of an AJ scenario.

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Patrick Toner: yeah so you know you mentioned had to disrupt the earlier Chris you know I know that their ongoing you’ve been to a couple of them.

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Patrick Toner: I will not i’m going to miss I won’t be in Florida till the 18th is when we actually take our trek to Florida, we have a rental up here.

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Chris Feeney: So right okay yeah June gotcha Okay, no worries.

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Patrick Toner: unfortunate, but we are hosting a happy hour for our customers as INTEGRA happy hour, probably for some of these other locations I just know Tampa just because I work with a lot of the Florida customers.

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Patrick Toner: But yeah so if you’re in the Florida area and you’re hearing this and you know, are going to disrupt in Tampa do not reach out we’d love to have you.

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Patrick Toner: awesome and Chris I don’t know is there is there a release date for ios 12.

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Patrick Toner: You know so for anyone considering going going to disrupt and first of all disrupts is a great conference, not just for I gel but it’s really an end user computing conference you’re gonna have tons of different vendors there.

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Patrick Toner: You know where the presence, but you know from an ideal side, Chris how much how much of I know you guys are talking about ios 12.

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Chris Feeney: The numbering will become the same and that’s not uncommon in today’s vendor world us 12 will be able to work with version 12 as well as.

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Chris Feeney: I Joe os has everything baked in when we release the firmware update it’ll include various fixes or new version of stuff when it’s separate zoom client maybe it’s being whatever it might be browser updates going forward.

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Chris Feeney: That you can afford right today anytime you update operating systems that you got to redo no questions asked it just has to happen.

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Patrick Toner: Just to get the newest citrix workspace APP you no longer need that update which, today, you do, you have when you do that firmware update it’s gonna it’s going to reboot 100% of the time.

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Patrick Toner: But now it’s just great stuff I mean it’s kind of cool to see you know I just moving really all the focus more to a cloud, I mean even the distributed you, Ms feature we’re talking about today.

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Patrick Toner: You know the focus is on cloud os 12 more of a cloud based solution, I was everybody’s moving that way and it’s cool to see the innovation there.

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Patrick Toner: You know, but I think you know just just a couple things to plug real quick before we end here.

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Patrick Toner: You know, to anyone who’s listening, you know we have a lot of events coming up, and you can always find them it’s INTEGRA COM.

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Patrick Toner: We have workshops Chris and I actually do a monthly ideal workshop will do different technology vendors that integrate into that workshop so.

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Patrick Toner: You know, we do a lot of things other than I Jones INTEGRA things like new tannic citrix Microsoft azure virtual desktop.

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Patrick Toner: You know vmware we have a lot of great resources we have podcasts on all these platforms, as well as workshops boot camps webinars you can find all of that is integrity calm.

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Patrick Toner: And of course we mentioned agile disrupts hopefully we’ll see out at some of these events, now, if you guys are there, please say hello.

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Chris Feeney: scroll up and then you’ll see it’s a disrupt the uc.com slash on tour 2022 and there’s quite a bit of location, so today I think they’re in Cologne Germany that’s where sub is so he would be here with us today, but they’ve had.

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Chris Feeney: In the last few days week or so similar to the American tour.

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Chris Feeney: But it’s been well received, I think, each is as each of these has happened we’ve had bigger crowds show up and they had like 200 people in London alone, and I think you know I don’t know about you, but i’ve gone to the airport a few times over the last few trips.

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Chris Feeney: parking was crazy, I mean people are ready to get out there they’re out there and I think.

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Chris Feeney: You know, especially with mass mandates kind of being lifted in some respects, you know people are busy traveling, so I think we’ve with these events, the timing has been really good, because people are coming I was at one last week in Tampa.

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Chris Feeney: I think they had to be 1500 people show up and we were at a vendor row or people came and checked out things and, of course, you know our biggest thing is this is the one thing that brings them all to the table right the.

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Chris Feeney: zippy the hedgehog.

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Chris Feeney: Instead of just handing them out, we were raffling off and.

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Chris Feeney: Believe me, people are like I have one I need your email address.

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Patrick Toner: This is a true story with you know what I used to cover the New York area for agile and all the different trade shows up there, and we had people come up to us, it was one person specifically would always find us.

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Patrick Toner: I don’t even know if they knew we did that they would always try to get one of those headshots for their dogs, you know i’m pretty convinced they just thought we made stuffed animals for for a living that’s what I journalists, but yeah very popular item at the trade shows no doubt.

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Chris Feeney: yeah that’s it we’ve got another one that’s a little bigger now it’s for a golf like put on your your golf club your driver.

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Chris Feeney: So yeah that one is definitely a.

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Chris Feeney: Collective it’s a collector’s item rare fine, but we have I got one for one of our next events will come up here with soon, but.

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Chris Feeney: But, needless to say, henshaw power is is out there, and people are excited about it so love to see it, one of these events where there’s INTEGRA events I know it was in tears got a nice big party coming up here 10 year anniversary coming up here in June, I think.

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Chris Feeney: yeah that’ll be exciting hopefully we chat more about that one Andy is available to join us once again so.

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Patrick Toner: Absolutely yeah and you can always find you know that and more it’s tiger calm I think it’s four slash events.

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Chris Feeney: I should probably know that somebody’s going to win a Ford bronco I think you got finalist maybe that’s the big reveal Is that correct.

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Patrick Toner: That is correct we’re at we’re raffling off the Ford bronco and then we’re actually doing another one next year already opened up enrollment on that.

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Patrick Toner: So, if you like, the bronco attend our webinars workshops enter and have a chance to win one you know can’t win if you don’t if you don’t enter so.

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Chris Feeney: Nice.

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Patrick Toner: yeah so anyway.

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Patrick Toner: You find this and more the ticker.com forward slash events.

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Patrick Toner: Chris always a pleasure man, you know always good to talk to you thanks for the update on this feature, I think a lot of people are going to be finding that to be useful and MN will sync up on the next one.

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Chris Feeney: Alright, have a good one.

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Chris Feeney: Take care.

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Patrick Toner: buddy take care.