33: IGEL Weekly: Industrial and Rugged Thin Clients for IGEL Anywhere

Oct 7, 2021

[The following blog post is a guest post from Michael Walsh, OnLogic Senior Product Manager]

Industrial and rugged IGEL Ready thin clients allow expansion of your IGEL environment out of the office and into more challenging environments on the edge.

The benefits of the IGEL OS are many. At a time when crippling ransomware attacks are making headlines, IGEL offers resistance to viruses and other malware. In addition, IGEL delivers ease of management. You can control, update and provision all of your devices running IGEL OS from a unified dashboard.

This ease of device management is important in an office environment. But what if you want to extend your endpoints out of the office to the edge of your enterprise? That is where industrial and rugged hardware with IGEL OS can deliver value in locations where most conventional endpoints will fail.

Host: Andy Whiteside
Co-Host: Chris Feeney

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Andy Whiteside: Everyone and welcome to episode 33 of idea weekly i’m your host Andy whiteside have got the crispy Chris we’re doing a we’re doing one of our corporate blog that’s right we do the Community blog one week and then we do a corporate one the next week right.

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Chris Feeney: That is correct, this is a Larry bird blog today number 33 so.

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Andy Whiteside: Are there any other there’s got to be other famous 33 what was.

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Chris Feeney: gonna say was Patrick Ewing 33.

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Andy Whiteside: He might have been he might have been, and I mean there’s only so many numbers, you can use right, I think, was like when we were kids was Tony dorsett 33.

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Chris Feeney: See, I was a redskins fan I should know this.

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Chris Feeney: i’m gonna go with Tony dorsett was gosh well, he was a cowboys guy so I really don’t care.

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Chris Feeney: But he could have been a famous 33 anyway.

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Andy Whiteside: i’ll share, just a brief story I don’t know there’s a purpose to share not but.

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Andy Whiteside: Three months ago my family and I went to southern utah Las Vegas and southern California.

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Andy Whiteside: And we were standing on the strip in Las Vegas in front, the bellagio and we had waited a really long time for the the the show that we can be right in the middle and take a good family picture and.

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Andy Whiteside: This guy walks up and I hear him behind me like basically making threats to me and my family because he wants a picture with nobody in it, and finally the agent agent walks up and says my my star athlete.

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Andy Whiteside: in Las Vegas raider just acquired him so, and so, if you didn’t know his name of the time he needs your family to move because he wants to take a picture with nobody in and was like.

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Andy Whiteside: ma’am i’m still here for 30 minutes we’re going to stay here until the end, the show and then he could take his picture what we had to move at that point.

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Andy Whiteside: And so last night watching Monday night football and this this guy gets a penalty for taunting or.

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Andy Whiteside: or whatever it was and i’m looking like that’s that guy that’s the guy that threatened us on the strip in Las Vegas and.

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Andy Whiteside: No wonder, and it just so happened when the other players on a team that I kind of know of was standing beside him at the time.

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Andy Whiteside: But yeah I mean I don’t know I went and all that is now a professional sports and I I grew up a big pro sports fan, but I could take it or leave it at this point.

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Chris Feeney: i’m sure we’ve all had moments where we’ve met that that person, either in their prime or or maybe retired or something but.

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Chris Feeney: Trying to think of if i’ve had any stories like that it’ll probably come to me right, as we finish up this day but.

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Chris Feeney: We do want to highlight.

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Chris Feeney: I would say, a newcomer to the I Joe ready Program.

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Andy Whiteside: Maybe I can make a transition for us so.

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Andy Whiteside: If people are people and be we’re gonna do what they’re going to do, but in this particular podcast we’re going to talk about what rugged eyes.

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Andy Whiteside: You know, maybe thicker skin so as you go through life, whether you’re dealing with a tsa agent, which was yesterday’s the word for me where I say a custom by tsa agent just because I asked the question.

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Andy Whiteside: Or you deal with a professional athlete we got to have got a thicker skin and I think we got to be more rugged that’s what we’re talking about today right taking the beauty of the ideal solution and putting it on rugged rugged is that the right way to say it rugged is the hardware.

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Chris Feeney: yeah I think that the story there we were just talking before we hit record.

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Chris Feeney: You know technology kind of crosses boundaries doesn’t really matter what vertical mean technology, going to be used all over, and so, in this particular case we’ve got the opportunity to highlight a a new i’d already partner that focuses.

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Chris Feeney: On a particular segment where they need some special some special needs.

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Chris Feeney: That can handle the rough and tough environments that they operate in and so we’re talking about our friends from on logic and.

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Chris Feeney: They have joined the agile ready program this year, and they have very specialized devices that will highlight a little bit on today we go a little bit more detail on the partner showcase.

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Chris Feeney: But if you’re not familiar with them check them out at on logic oh in logic Li spell Hello gic.com so.

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Andy Whiteside: So so Chris I think the the story here right is a hardened reliable hardware with smart reliable hardened, if you will, for sure.

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Andy Whiteside: Software coming together so that you’re protected against the elements, as in the uptime and the potential, you know ransomware peace.

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Andy Whiteside: All at the same time right it’s that it’s like having that security system at home that has the cameras in the right place right, so you can keep an eye on what’s going on, you have the sensors in the right place and you have the software that that knows how to keep you alerted.

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Andy Whiteside: As well as make the right next steps, when needed.

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Chris Feeney: yeah No, it is, I think it kind of hit it right, there is the combination, the coming together of devices that are can take a beating essentially you want to go that route.

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Chris Feeney: But also have very focused security.

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Chris Feeney: resistant, in a sense, to those attacks.

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Chris Feeney: Obviously configured correctly bringing those two together for environments where they really can’t afford a lot of downtime and so that’s kind of the story that we’re going to tell today.

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Andy Whiteside: When Chris i’m reading ahead to this next section here that talks about the I Joe out of the office and on the edge.

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Andy Whiteside: I guess maybe we’re talking about our laptops in play here, as well as other endpoint devices in a world where you know the edge and getting work done is everywhere, including the rugged eyes need, am I saying that right rugged rugged I.

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Chris Feeney: yeah I think that’s I mean I first heard that term I don’t know, several years ago, when I came across Panasonic and their rugged.

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Chris Feeney: Tough book was the name of their the product name.

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Chris Feeney: And it was.

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Chris Feeney: You know, designed for operating in you know Monday, they sold into military environments fabulous everything was in closed, I mean they could take these things in the desert.

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Chris Feeney: They get into dusty places in cars is nothing some cases there is telling stories that laptop can take a bullet and still be operational and I never saw that personally but.

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Chris Feeney: that’s kind of the general idea and in the sand, you know this, the ssd is we’re fairly new at the time, I think so i’m going back into the I would say late.

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Chris Feeney: Before 2010 i’ll just say that somewhere in that.

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Chris Feeney: Five to maybe 2010 2012 range.

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Chris Feeney: like that.

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Andy Whiteside: Would it be fair to say, back then, that being protected against the elements and other things, was a physical property more than it was a like a software type thing at the time.

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Chris Feeney: yeah because pretty much all these things were running windows xp windows seven.

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Chris Feeney: The time and I mean there was you know Linux on the endpoint.

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Chris Feeney: You know, first of all.

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Chris Feeney: Things weren’t in the cloud you had to have localized Apps installed that type of thing to access resources and so just wasn’t is you know that’s what it was so that’s.

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Chris Feeney: But they could take these into hospitals, you know and other environments where they would just be abused in some cases I mean if you’re walking around and someplace you see these keyboards that.

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Chris Feeney: You know, looks like they’ve been through.

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Chris Feeney: The State fair or something.

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Andy Whiteside: Right.

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Chris Feeney: So, but yeah so what we’re talking about today is it goes business environments, I know, early in my career, I spent some time going into.

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Chris Feeney: work for a company that was.

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Chris Feeney: They did asphalt, and they had these asphalt plants and we were replacing basically giving them away and.

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Chris Feeney: bring him into the world of outlook email and that type of thing, but we had to go into these I would say.

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Chris Feeney: field offices, where they were close to their asphalt plant and you start to get into some of the devices that you’re replacing and you pull these suckers out and you’re like holy smoke put a mask on so much dust and.

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Chris Feeney: That you bring a can of air well we’re gonna need three of those you know that type of thing so.

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Andy Whiteside: Well let’s let’s use that to talk about this next section that.

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Andy Whiteside: The top historically what it meant to be hardened.

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Andy Whiteside: or rugged.

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Andy Whiteside: talks about fabulous and countless design right trying to keep that that dust out of the device and off the key essential electronics.

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Chris Feeney: that’s exactly right so hip on a few bullet points there, so, as I mentioned earlier, I think the rugged eyes kind of focus was to have a sinless disk so solid state drive.

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Chris Feeney: But, but no fan not pulling in any kind of dust very quiet, of course, and so.

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Chris Feeney: but also some of the components, you know it’s.

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Chris Feeney: Obviously, need to be able to plug things in but also be able to plug them in and maybe close up that that connection, in some cases.

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Chris Feeney: and obviously built for life bill for bill for a longer life, I should say.

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Andy Whiteside: So, Chris I don’t think I did a good job, introducing in industrial and rugged thin clients, for I Joe anywhere that’s the name of the blog.

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Andy Whiteside: written by Michael Walsh Walsh from September of this year 2021.

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Andy Whiteside: The properties are listed here fabulous event list we covered completely solid state, no, no actual physical moving parts right that’s what we really want so solid state would be.

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Andy Whiteside: Part of that story and has been for a long time, however, now it’s extremely commodities and reachable and cost right.

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Chris Feeney: yeah and, if you think just just above that paragraph, I mean where our endpoints being found today, I cannot, I mean forklift trucks shipping containers.

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Chris Feeney: With wi fi kind of extended the reach of some of these places I think about i’m sure at the if you read some of the more recent stories, you know sitting off the port of long beach, I think it is.

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Chris Feeney: or Los Angeles there’s 40 something shipping vessels that have not yet been able to unload and so shipping is just sitting there i’m sure they’re using technology to help process, a lot of these shipments as they come off.

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Chris Feeney: But.

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Chris Feeney: environments like that, where they have to be able to you know withstand sure various things that are going on as as containers are being unloaded.

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Chris Feeney: yeah and obviously a long battery life if you’re running off off the battery.

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Chris Feeney: So those were if it’s on a cart you know, maybe you’re riding around in some kind of card or forklift or whatever so that’s the type of environment where these devices would be used in a lot of respects so.

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Andy Whiteside: we’ll think about this for a minute.

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Andy Whiteside: I literally have a rubberized battery case on my all glass I think iPhone and yesterday I had to take it off to charge for a few minutes and I.

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Andy Whiteside: it’s like this subconscious thing that I I I need to get the case back on this iPhone as quick as I can, because I know i’m gonna drop it I know it’s coming, even if I try and focus on not putting it in a precarious situation.

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Andy Whiteside: It happens and I, you know, the idea that device itself which.

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Andy Whiteside: I don’t know why these things haven’t been more rugged eyes, but I think it’s really just a matter of the beauty of it people not wanting to impact the way it looks.

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Chris Feeney: yeah i’m not aware of least apple designing a.

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Chris Feeney: A rugged iPhone but certainly there are cases that you can include them in that have gone there and then even further down was interesting in this blog it kind of highlights, there are some standards that.

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Chris Feeney: You can build product to if you’re going to sell into certain industries and, in particular, military area where they’re going to be on ships in the field.

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Chris Feeney: Probably in a humvee or some other type of thing like that, where they’re going to need to be reliable and certainly if you know all hell breaks loose.

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Chris Feeney: be able to withstand that type of beating and still keep on running.

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Andy Whiteside: So, think about it, it was the ugly yellow next tells it started a lot of this, but in the long run, they didn’t went out the next till you know the the push to talk stuff.

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Andy Whiteside: And I think the the contractor guys that carry those things in the beginning that we were all envious of at one point.

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Andy Whiteside: They didn’t care what it looked like but they wanted to be ugly and they wanted to be yellow where they could find it if laying a workbench somewhere, but then when consumerization hits you had to find a way to get rugged and beautiful all at the same time.

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Chris Feeney: You know it’s funny because if you look at our showcase their color on a lot of their devices actually happens to be yellow and i’m pretty sure there’s a reason for that.

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Chris Feeney: While they did that so we’ve got two devices that are highlighted from on logic, one is an ultra small fabulous power thin client yeah.

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Chris Feeney: hey Christmas.

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Andy Whiteside: Do that let’s just get.

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Andy Whiteside: To these bullets so ability to withstand.

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Andy Whiteside: harsh conditions really hot really cold indirect sun or direct.

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Andy Whiteside: Sun from if my iPhone which is black with a black case gets near the Doc and out in the sun, for you know five minutes during the summer it’s going to submit smart it shuts itself down, but I know it’s going to have.

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Andy Whiteside: it’s not going to be happy and i’m doing probably long term damage to it highly configurable both physically and software I think that’s, but in this case physical.

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Andy Whiteside: Expensive io options and long long life Those are all the bullets, a call out to what it means to be a rugged is the industrial device, but now you were transitioning us into a couple of devices that i’ll click on here on the screen, the first one being which one.

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Chris Feeney: The seer I picked up on the other one here.

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Andy Whiteside: So on logic looks like an ID l 300 is one of them listed here.

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Chris Feeney: yeah so that one what’s interesting about this one is that.

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Chris Feeney: There are multiple options terms of you know what you want, with the hardware before it gets shipped that type of thing but what’s really cool is, as you can see, on the product page.

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Chris Feeney: You go through some of the pictures what some of the options are.

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Chris Feeney: chipset you can see.

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Chris Feeney: When it comes pre image, you can see what the peripheral support is on the back.

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Chris Feeney: And what’s really cool is.

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Chris Feeney: I highlighted the fact that these could be in vehicle use.

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Chris Feeney: You know leveraging wireless from 4G, for example.

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Chris Feeney: So you could put these in transportation vehicles, maybe.

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Chris Feeney: mentioned earlier, shipping containers refrigerator ones in particular, because if you’re going to be in there you’re going to be in an environment where it’s going to be cold.

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Chris Feeney: They can obviously be visa mounted they can be mounted in different configuration settings.

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Chris Feeney: But just kind of purpose built to handle that environment, and you can see the operating temperature range negative 25 degrees Celsius.

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Chris Feeney: I think that’s pretty low.

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Chris Feeney: And 70 degrees Celsius so I need to translate that into Fahrenheit, but I would say that’s quite a range when it comes to cold and hot based temperatures.

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Chris Feeney: And so, but yeah this, these are are very much purpose built to handle.

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Chris Feeney: The different places that you might consider on and for those listening, I mean you know just another example of.

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Chris Feeney: A company that has a very much a focus on supplying hardware, in this case to very unique industry or industries where they have specific requirements and.

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Chris Feeney: Then I.

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Andy Whiteside: come down and be open three year, and they have a factors.

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Chris Feeney: yeah I do it’s quite a bit and there’s there’s two specific models thing clients, but there’s quite a bit more that I mean as you’re going through the list.

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Chris Feeney: Obviously you know more than meet the requirements to run I Joe os.

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Chris Feeney: And certainly if somebody’s interested in something that that’s on this website probably have a conversation with on logic to find out.

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Chris Feeney: If any other devices could be officially.

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Chris Feeney: validated I guess is the proper word but.

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Andy Whiteside: In theory, you guys had a.

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Andy Whiteside: couple supported ones, but I guess, in theory, if they’re all x86 face you kind of good there’s a chance, all of these would work eventually once they got certified right.

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Chris Feeney: yeah I think a lot of is just based on maybe customer demand kind of starting here and then expanding.

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Andy Whiteside: So the customer has one that they want to use a specific form factor.

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Andy Whiteside: They could get what their I Joe and partner, as well as I gel and.

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Andy Whiteside: Get and get one of those tested and officially get it supported.

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Andy Whiteside: or they could roll the dice because again Nigel until Linux based and is going to go to probably work on all this stuff.

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Chris Feeney: You just look at the specs I mean obviously what’s nice about being part of the agile ready program is they actually have a test kit that they could use if there’s a specific model that has not officially been validated it’s just a matter of using that test kit.

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Chris Feeney: To go through, and you know run run some checks, a lot of hardware based and so.

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Chris Feeney: With our reason version 1106 recently coming out last week that’s we’ve updated the agile Linux kernel essentially and that adds adds more and more hardware support so.

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Chris Feeney: yeah you can see quite a bit what they’ve got here.

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Andy Whiteside: This panel PC looks like something that would be really nice in my truck excellent.

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Chris Feeney: Start designing his integrity truck so.

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Andy Whiteside: Okay, going back to the article here.

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Andy Whiteside: So, Chris, what are the two that are there officially supported as a gel enabled thin client at the moment.

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Chris Feeney: yeah so we’ve got we were just talking about.

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Chris Feeney: The big l 300 compact rugged.

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Chris Feeney: powered thin client and then there’s the I GL 200 ultra small fabulous power thin client So if you look on i’ll put this link in the page so on i.com there’s a partner ready showcase.

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Chris Feeney: And that’s this chat for you.

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Andy Whiteside: So, Chris if I were to translate the two devices that 300 and a few hundred did you just call it out from a performance perspective, not from a not from a rugged perspective, but from a performance perspective, what I do hardware units to those lineup with in terms of.

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Andy Whiteside: specs.

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Chris Feeney: that’s a great point i’m gonna we’ve got actually a my buddy RON put together a.

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Chris Feeney: spreadsheet where we can kind of compare if you give me a second i’ll pull it right up here.

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Chris Feeney: live on the blog or on the podcast so me a second here, I want to say the smaller thin client.

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Chris Feeney: The I GL 200 is probably going to be equivalent to a ut three and then the other one may be similar ut three perhaps you’d be seven.

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Chris Feeney: So, give me.

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Chris Feeney: So let me pull up.

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Andy Whiteside: that’s pretty that’s pretty strong if we’re talking about a ut seven equivalent.

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Chris Feeney: yeah so the.

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Chris Feeney: You.

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Andy Whiteside: And while you’re doing that let’s talk about this last section here, which is thin client features that matter everywhere passive cooling, you know, eliminating the fan, and the moving parts, whether it’s.

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Andy Whiteside: Whether you going to use this device in a in a clean office or a dirty dusty.

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Andy Whiteside: warehouse somewhere and maybe you don’t know and maybe that’s part of the challenge of your team is you work for a company that does industrial stuff but that device may go on on the President CEOs desk or it may go out in the warehouse and nobody knows where it’s going to go when.

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Chris Feeney: yeah I mean I believe in their stories where we people found.

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Chris Feeney: hardware like they were they were renovating or something like that, and they put up some drywall and like where’s that computer aided by the drywall because it got closed in.

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Chris Feeney: So on logic i’m looking here, let me see if I could.

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Chris Feeney: i’ve got this spreadsheet up so.

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Andy Whiteside: You know, give you a quick.

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Andy Whiteside: story i’m looking at the picture here where they’ve got a fan in a bunch of components covered in dust.

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Andy Whiteside: In my world you know where that’s most likely to be found.

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Chris Feeney: In China.

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Andy Whiteside: it’s it’s a trick question it’s in my son’s bedroom under his desk.

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Andy Whiteside: that’s where i’m going to find the dirtiest dusty his computer in my house.

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Chris Feeney: Ah yes, I there’s a few places that have not seen the light of day, not or even a vacuum cleaner and a long time so so it looks like if I filter on the ud three on logic has.

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Chris Feeney: let’s see here.

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Chris Feeney: And when you’re vice that matches to that so that’s the big l.

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Chris Feeney: c 131 we were looking at.

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Andy Whiteside: 300 was the first one we.

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Andy Whiteside: called up here, yes, and the article.

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Andy Whiteside: Is that a one filter so the one at the front of that or is that an eye I G OK, I GL three.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah got it.

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Chris Feeney: But yeah they’ve got a couple devices that sort of mapped to the ud three or most you know middle tier and then the ud seven.

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Chris Feeney: So as more devices get validated the idea ready page that we’re looking at here will get updated with more devices, as they get through that completed process but.

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Andy Whiteside: Those.

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Andy Whiteside: Are dumb question, but the.

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Andy Whiteside: GL in the model numbers that.

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Andy Whiteside: Literally stand for I Joe.

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Chris Feeney: i’m going to say yes, because it’s on logic and then I GL not sure why the ease not there, but probably only had a certain amount of letters to choose from.

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Chris Feeney: But.

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Chris Feeney: I would imagine that’s that’s that’s the specifics on that so.

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Chris Feeney: yeah so look in here, obviously they solve you know quite a bit of problems, but they can my understanding, they can be shipped from factory with a gel installed on it, and then you should are having arrived and then just turn it on and get it set up and and take it from there, so.

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Andy Whiteside: turn it on and either auto discovery gets it into your us environment or you point it to your you, Ms fits you know, in the cloud or on you know online.

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Andy Whiteside: And then from there you’re you’re ready to manage it and and have a good likelihood that it’s going to be around based on power and the rugged eyes nature of it for at least a decade.

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Chris Feeney: yeah so just a I think an overall very high level, but certainly if you are.

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Chris Feeney: Looking at some areas where maybe you need a.

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Chris Feeney: High performing thin client, but also one that will you know stand up to the elements, whatever those might be this is some but it take a look at and we’re certainly happy to bring in an on logic specialist if you want to speak to anything more specific, but.

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Andy Whiteside: Great well Chris I think that that kind of wraps it up are there.

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Andy Whiteside: I guess the question are there is on logic, the only regret is the vendor you guys are working with are there, others as well.

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Chris Feeney: Well, there is one I would say they’re the only one, I know, but there is another vendor I think they’re based out of Germany.

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Chris Feeney: they’ve made devices that are purpose built for clean room environments were everybody’s wearing white that you know, to go in that type of thing, and so I think the industry is a target are very much like pharmaceutical or even like.

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Chris Feeney: Working on stuff for going up in space that type of thing where they need similar things they need a fabulous type device rugged eyes, maybe touchscreen because they can’t really work a keyboard or whatever, and so.

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Chris Feeney: that’s The only other one I know of.

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Chris Feeney: That doesn’t say that maybe other vendors don’t have a rugged device but but on logic is very much focused on that.

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Andy Whiteside: Maybe we should create devices that are both a computer and an air purifier all the same time, living in this world of the pandemic and coven.

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Chris Feeney: I mean not a bad idea, you could probably looking here I mean on this.

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Chris Feeney: I mean, with a USB powered you could probably just plug it in and have it running and purifying the air, while you’re running a thin client probably doesn’t take up much wattage.

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Andy Whiteside: I say that because the two kids in college and they’re both living in the same dorm and we had to buy these massive air purifiers because the claim from everybody.

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Andy Whiteside: It was that the the duck because of the old ducking system that the there was a lot of germs and mildew and mold and stuff coming through the coming through the system so that these big massive air purifiers running in in all in the rooms now.

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Chris Feeney: I wouldn’t doubt that for a minute I know your kids go to school.

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Andy Whiteside: I don’t say that because i’m not a fan I just saying.

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Andy Whiteside: All right, Sir, I appreciate you joining in covering this topic and we’ll do it again and I guess next week would serve on a committee podcast.

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Chris Feeney: And yeah.

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Chris Feeney: On linkedin now so.

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Chris Feeney: linkedin said that’s his his new nickname for me.

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Andy Whiteside: from me linkedin set.

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Chris Feeney: Nice alright have a great one man.

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Andy Whiteside: All right, Chris thanks.