29: Nutanix Weekly: .NEXT 2021 Recap with the Team

Sep 24, 2021

In this week’s episode, we cover the top 10ish announcements from Nutanix .NEXT 2021 according to Jirah.  With a few interruptions from his friends.

Host: Andy Whiteside
Co-Host: Harvey Green
Co-Host: Jirah Cox
Guest: Randy Brown
Guest: Jeff Melnick

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Andy Whiteside: Everyone welcome to new tenants weekly this is episode 29 i’m in a hotel lobby so i’m all confused as to where to get started in this and it’s Thursday not Monday so we’re all.

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Andy Whiteside: we’re all i’m all confused hopefully the rest of my guests are as good as always, so why are we coming to you from a hotel lobby least I am.

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Andy Whiteside: on a Thursday that’s because next was this week and our goal today is to mix things up a little bit and not this like cover a blog there’s going to be tons of blogs to come out next.

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Andy Whiteside: But just to cover some of the things that the Professor for some recording that direct Cox believes are the best announcements from next you can’t stop next 2021 so let’s start with a just introducing the panel Harvey green as always how’s it going.

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Harvey Green: i’m doing great how are you.

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Andy Whiteside: I am i’m good that’s sort of strive to Durham I think i’ve ever had if you’re on a conference call the whole way you don’t even realize you’re driving it’s just kind of scary.

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Harvey Green: But how did I get here, yes.

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Harvey Green: That is brain autopilot is what I call it yeah.

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Andy Whiteside: Well, I mean you got a tesla you kind of can do that i’ve got a big F 150 and I forgot multiple times that I had cruise control set that’s scary yeah yeah alright so harvey’s with us, as usual, direct Cox co host director new tannic how’s it going.

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Jirah Cox: hey guys um it’s been a huge week i’m ready for ready for Friday tomorrow.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah so Jerry you got on the.

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Andy Whiteside: mechanics believers sure that’s from like what three years ago, four years ago, how long ago.

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Jirah Cox: yeah this was next and DC I think it was so no this was saying, the Omega.

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Andy Whiteside: And i’m.

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Jirah Cox: And i’m yeah yep.

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Andy Whiteside: yep yep yeah that was that was a good one, I love that shirt I still where it’s a non dorky I T shirt.

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Jirah Cox: Total.

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Andy Whiteside: Well, I love.

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Andy Whiteside: Probably love those.

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Jirah Cox: will consider the source there right we you and I would consider it non dorky right.

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Jirah Cox: Which is or something.

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Andy Whiteside: You know.

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Jirah Cox: that’s pretty good.

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Andy Whiteside: here’s the way i’ll say I get compliments when I wear that shirt on it being a cool shirt so I assume it’s pretty cool shirt.

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Jirah Cox: Okay i’m still waiting, but that’s that’s okay.

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Andy Whiteside: With us are the guys from artists artists, is a sponsor of next we’ve got the Jeff Jeff melnick and Randy brown from artists they’re kind of our special guests collaborators today because.

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Andy Whiteside: of our partnership with them as INTEGRA as well as the work they’re doing with new tonics and as we go through these things guys feel.

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Andy Whiteside: free to chime in and give us your opinions ask questions, and you know just help collaborate I did all the way up here, I did listen to one of the citrix podcast which.

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Andy Whiteside: You know I like to say they saw us doing podcasts and decided to do podcasts to that may not be true, but it sure does feel like it.

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Andy Whiteside: I love the fact that we have.

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Andy Whiteside: People from insides INTEGRA and inside new tonics and inside the industry, and we all collaborate on these that way it definitely comes across as a conversation and that’s a big part of podcasting for me is get a bunch of smart people and let them talk.

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Andy Whiteside: I just asked all the dumb questions.

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Andy Whiteside: Well okay so next 2021 gyro we’re going to go from number 10 down to number one we’re going to go from number one to number 10 how, how are you staging this for us.

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Jirah Cox: Oh, I should do a quick start here so honestly we’re just working off of like things that I enjoyed from our finances this week.

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Jirah Cox: If you’re listening to this and it’s at all, close to the episode release date, where we should say you can definitely still go register for the next platform, you can watch all the recaps got.

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Jirah Cox: At least a couple of weeks to do that right so don’t sleep on it too long definitely feel free to go do that they’re pretty Nice and condensed concise, I think.

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Jirah Cox: All the keynotes are about 90 minutes or less so you can kind of get in get all the highlights and get out so definitely do that and go straight to the source.

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Jirah Cox: If you’re just so busy that you have to listen to us replay that for you then welcome and i’m sorry, but now, this is gonna be my notes on what I found, like most notable.

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Andy Whiteside: So directly, I asked you that question, but then i’m going to leave you with two things number one we did we did a podcast recording what two three months ago about.

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Andy Whiteside: Something new, which is, which was part of next i’m sure and we’ve been sitting on a podcast that I haven’t hit the publish button that one I can now hit the publish button on right.

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Jirah Cox: He will be replacing it today right, this is actually rehash all the same features.

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Andy Whiteside: Well i’m still going to do it because it’s great content, however, I think, so what we’re talking about the latest version of ios.

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Jirah Cox: Right yeah yeah so of course it yet some of the features from a six hour part of the headline of the show for sure.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah so we’ve got that podcast guys so expect to see two podcasts get published this one was the you know the what’s new and ios deep dive that we did.

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Andy Whiteside: month or so ago that we’ve been kind of sitting on for this one, so, as the latest version, give me the number again and and just give me like the top two or three or four things people need to know about that.

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Jirah Cox: No, yes, oh six from the stage right the team was we’re all proud of over 50% HP adoption right so like so many nodes in the wild now or running HQ hypervisor.

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Jirah Cox: As it shows you know enterprise adoption enterprise readiness validation with our partners right like the artist folks.

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Jirah Cox: As well as, of course, a huge effort for the show with red hat right for both.

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Jirah Cox: For both open shift container platform, but also rel as an os to run games as well, so that one, you know as a huge man it’s been part of my career and attacks right is working with customers.

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Jirah Cox: On the you know I want to run you can’t Next, I want to run HIV, but I wish red hat and tactics had a tighter joint support model right and now we’ve got that that’s a big objection remover.

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Andy Whiteside: Let me translate the acronyms real quick for the people who may not know them so AOL stands for the Acropolis operating system which is really your storage operating system, maybe, similar to what.

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Andy Whiteside: Net APP has what they’re on tap right that’s that’s your storage solution that can run on multiple hypervisor is that a fair way to explain that.

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Jirah Cox: Well, just had management there as well, right because there’s also like prison runs within that as well.

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Andy Whiteside: Right and then, when you mentioned a while ago that’s your specific Linux distro that you include with a ios people don’t have to run it.

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Andy Whiteside: They can use the you know vmware and others but mostly vmware but Acropolis hypervisor hv you know, five years ago would have been like a I don’t know, but now most of your solution is rolled out at least 50% or more on top of your hypervisor and it’s an entitlement nailed it yep.

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Jirah Cox: hundred percent so every node in the world can run hypervisor view choice right V sphere hyper V, and of course our own HP is included at no cost.

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Jirah Cox: on any platform right whether that’s our nodes HP and Dell whenever nodes Fujitsu your choice.

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Andy Whiteside: I have one specific hypervisor to ask about and it’s going to lead us to our next topic which is the guys from guys from Fort lauderdale and new tannic send their big announcement, but xen server you guys aren’t still producing a supported version of ios ons introverted.

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Jirah Cox: Not to my knowledge, not right now, no.

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Jirah Cox: mostly due to demand, as I understand it.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah and there’s some technical challenges there it’s a great hypervisor for niche use cases but for enterprise use case it’s it’s good for good enough for vdi but other than that it’s not a great fit so it makes sense okay so before we go on to go ahead, sorry.

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Jirah Cox: And, of course, he is included at no cost so.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah well and it’s so much more and widely used and supported and there’s communities about it, you know why, would you.

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Andy Whiteside: Why would you throw it on zoom servers really other than having to put little plugin on which works great that you guys, I wrote with citrix why why even bother so.

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Andy Whiteside: So, before I go into talking about that announcements, with the citrix guys, I want to hear from the rest of the panel Harvey and Jeff and Randy any any thoughts around the latest operating system, and what that means to you.

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Harvey Green: Oh, I mean for me it’s just the latest edition of something that’s already been great so you know, being able to take the new stuff that we’ll talk more about as as this continues to go on and that we that we talked about and I guess, we can call it the hidden podcast.

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Harvey Green: You know you’ll you’ll hear a lot more about the features, the new stuff that’s coming with the new version of ios i’m excited about it, but you know, the fact that we’ve also had a hidden podcast for a while, so this is i’ve been excited about it for all.

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Jirah Cox: Andy come up everybody.

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Andy Whiteside: When i’m in the hotel lobby, as I mentioned, and there’s music it’s kind of a trendy lobby, so I don’t can you guys hear the music at all.

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Harvey Green: Not not.

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Andy Whiteside: Okay, well then, I won’t worry about doing that again okay so from the artists perspective anything from you guys in terms of the the latest ios release that jumps out to you either with your product integration or other regions.

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Randy Brown: So we’re real excited about that, obviously, the new version of it, our solution doesn’t really get affected by that because we’re pointing at.

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Randy Brown: New tannic file separately outside of the operating system so it’s great for you tactics and you guys and the rest of the world, but for us it’s it’s a nice feature it’s not really that integral to what we do.

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Andy Whiteside: Okay.

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Andy Whiteside: Okay, so die right if I went to your website, yesterday I would have found something related to next.

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Andy Whiteside: Announcement around the citrix piece, where you know coming out of the gate newt annex and citrix kind of completed each other’s stories.

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Andy Whiteside: citrix needed that infrastructure play to compete against vmware and need an infrastructure play that was both scalable up and down and cost effective simplified easy to manage supported all that good stuff and you guys needed that vdi workload is a little.

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Andy Whiteside: challenge there along the way, where the organization started, you know kind of doing their own things, maybe kinda sorta or at least perceived and then that’s not real at all it’s perceived, but with dot next you guys made a big announcement with citrix you want to cover that.

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Jirah Cox: yeah I mean I would use a My analogy of like just sort of like an even tighter handshake right between citrix has been a great workload on your next your next been a great.

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Jirah Cox: platform for citrix for years, none of that is even close to new customers have had fantastic experiences with that and so that stands to only even get better right with.

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Jirah Cox: Some of the mechanics of the announcement right things like even tighter joint support availability even better roadmap co-development constant like that, so you know you standing off even what tiny little birds there might have been now it’s even even smoother experience.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah and it’s great for us, I mean I literally must have had, I must have had 10 people email me within 30 minutes talking about you know how much how this was going to be great for our business as we relate to trying to be the best citrix mechanics partner we can be.

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Jirah Cox: yeah for sure I didn’t email you because I knew we’d be talking about it but yeah for sure I mean it’s squarely in your wheelhouse right, so the convergence of some great technology and.

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Andy Whiteside: And i’ll add to that we we love hyper convergence for desktop and APP virtualization and most workloads really at this point.

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Andy Whiteside: But new tonics and some of the things it brings to the table around like files and true scalability and the architecture with having the control vm on every single node.

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Andy Whiteside: and being able to support lots of different hardware manufacturers is just the most beautiful story in the citrix slash hyper converge on premises and now even in the cloud story Harvey this is near and dear to you i’m sure you want to jump in.

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Harvey Green: Well, I mean you know as as I was sitting and reading about it, and you know that is you know citrix is saying Oh, we recommend the tactics, is the best place bus platform for you to run on right and.

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Harvey Green: And the tactics is kind of doing the same thing oh yeah we recommend citrix is the best solution for you know end user computing.

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Harvey Green: And you know I look at that and Andy you and I have this conversation like a lot and have been having this conversation a lot, but this is, this is what we’ve been talking about for a long time.

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Andy Whiteside: Right.

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Harvey Green: um and I won’t you know pretend that we, we were the ones who made them get together and do this but.

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Jirah Cox: My friend.

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Harvey Green: holly we’ve been telling our customers to.

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Harvey Green: do this for a pretty long time now, so it is great to see the synergy is great to see the teamwork there and collaboration.

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Harvey Green: We know that they’ve been good partners for a long time, this is.

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Harvey Green: I guess it made me feel old to say it bright, but I was you know talking to people and they were like well what’s the real what’s the real big deal behind this and i’m like well.

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Harvey Green: They they’ve been you know they’ve been going out for a while, but not a going steady they’re telling everybody that they’re together now.

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Andy Whiteside: Well, they went out for a while and then they broke up a little kind of sorta now they’re back together and they’re going to get married.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah Harvey I think it was the colder damper whether tho those make so.

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Harvey Green: yeah I got a lot to learn on that.

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Andy Whiteside: So, again going over the artist guys does this.

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Andy Whiteside: Does this mean anything to you guys.

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Randy Brown: it’s great news for for our great partners INTEGRA so and and eugenics as well really doesn’t affect us much, but we do like the sort of that remote worker story, I think we fit into that.

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Randy Brown: Along with you know the the joint solution between you guys so overall we it’s great specifically doesn’t really touch us much.

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Andy Whiteside: Well, as as you guys know i’m not shy, to say something I love what you just said, because it does totally tie into the end user compute story.

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Andy Whiteside: I don’t like that you said remote worker, because that is like the biggest nemesis of citrix that and total cost of ownership.

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Andy Whiteside: The remote worker piece it’s all workers, it just so happens to work when your remote and you just gave me an opportunity to bring up my opportunity to get on top of my soapbox.

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Andy Whiteside: Car good customers don’t use it for remote work they use it for all work.

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Harvey Green: Well, so.

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Andy Whiteside: The tedx enables that.

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Harvey Green: right one, and one of the concepts Andy that we’ve talked about again for a long time, is that when you.

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Harvey Green: actually have virtual workloads and then use a computer and things like that your your workloads are primarily House in a data Center or in a cloud or in a colo or something like that so everybody’s a remote worker nobody sitting in the data Center and working like that so.

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Andy Whiteside: If you’re not physically sitting in the data Center you’re a remote worker.

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Harvey Green: Your remote.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah and should we should we tell everybody the cloud is just somebody else’s data Center.

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Harvey Green: I would love to say that that that mystery is already solved, but.

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Harvey Green: you’d be surprised.

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Andy Whiteside: They would be surprised.

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Andy Whiteside: All right now gyro was that two of your top 10 or is there a whole nother 10 eight or 10.

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Jirah Cox: wow yeah i’m not saying the numbering we’re probably halfway through at least the.

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Jirah Cox: I think very exciting right was with the ios platform right we bring in vpc virtual private cloud networking, the ability to do to do network.

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Jirah Cox: creations right there within the platform really easily very simply to say, I want to have virtual networks that live within the platform that can that can.

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Jirah Cox: Give me application portability, you know, so that when I move a vm from site to site be I don’t have to worry about you know repeating it don’t worry about how the network’s going to work.

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Jirah Cox: So that part I think it’s super exciting right so it’s part of flow networking.

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Jirah Cox: giving you more application portability right across clouds.

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Harvey Green: So that.

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Harvey Green: That correct me if i’m wrong gyrated is what I would call a big deal.

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Jirah Cox: it’s a pretty big deal.

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Jirah Cox: very excited about.

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Harvey Green: Being able to have consistency across platforms across data centers public cloud private cloud right that that is a big deal.

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Harvey Green: yeah that’s.

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Harvey Green: Capital via tripped up when they you know, try to run down technology like this and be able to host it and you know the whole hybrid multi cloud conversation with this.

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Harvey Green: You know now changes, a lot because you’ve got the ability to be able to carry over settings and networks between one location to the other that’s a big deal.

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Jirah Cox: yeah.

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Andy Whiteside: No, I mean like what.

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Jirah Cox: I don’t know 80% of the manpower of Dr planning is all about figuring out do a VIP do I stretch my sub nets do I.

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Jirah Cox: move sub nets, you know how we actually handle that getting users connect to where they need to get to when I can just move the network with the vm so easily boy, that is just a big game changer right.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah because there’s another secret it’s not the cloud it’s clouds and we got to find a way to make at least two of them work together in order to be funded or available in a disaster moments.

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Jirah Cox: yeah well and also, even without even moving stuff um you know hey how about a Dev environment that matches my production IP scheme but it’s in a bubble and can’t break anything right like there’s so many powerful use cases.

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Harvey Green: i’ve got one for him all and see how he reacts to it, I had a little I had a little I guess bet going that uh I thought that, when that next hit they were going to release the titanic’s clusters on azure to GA did I when my bit.

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Jirah Cox: Oh, it was Andy that’s right.

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Harvey Green: I had, I had a weird that next week that got thrown all kinds of curveballs so I had no idea where that was going.

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Jirah Cox: So so so that’s that’s audience sympathy right there Harvey right you’re learning, along with the audience as.

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Andy Whiteside: question for you gyro what what parts of as like okay so Is this true new tonics on top of bare metal machines within the azure data centers I think that’s how it is an aws or Is this something similar, but not exactly that.

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Jirah Cox: Beyond that, the probably a great question to get an answer to write for sure from someone with a Microsoft COM email address.

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Jirah Cox: i’m curious I mean if it’s usually defined as an azure entitlement, then I mean yeah.

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Jirah Cox: shocker that we’re not official licensing advice.

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Randy Brown: yeah I mean i’d say it was the overall messaging that I found interesting that a lot of cios out there are.

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Randy Brown: tapering down their public cloud sort of plans and going to them where that hybrid model and our our solution fits well matt solution, whether it’s in.

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Randy Brown: We can handle that same situation, so I think i’d like the messaging I think that that our messaging is similar.

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Randy Brown: And I think it’s the way to go and not be tied into one particular thing have your information should be where it should be.

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Jirah Cox: Some polling from cios and the forecast of applications moving into public cloud has dropped by 10% or something.

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Andy Whiteside: Any any wild card drivers to that that you didn’t expect, I mean the ones you just said or.

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Andy Whiteside: I wouldn’t say no brainers but they’re ones that you would expect to hear any were there any.

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Jirah Cox: an anecdote I heard from another partner was they’re, seeing as many Apps move into public cloud, as they are seeing come back out it’s almost 5050 right which that that did kind of raise my eyebrows in terms of like wow the velocity kind of both ways right yeah.

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Jirah Cox: The flow networking, I can give you an application portability right part of our you know.

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Jirah Cox: I coach customers right try to find clothes that are very flexible right, do you know, look at half rack agreements quarter records, because you can fit so much power in in a quarter rack and a half rack these days.

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Jirah Cox: And and keep that optionality right that expand the ability as part of your agreement, and you can be very, very powerful and very, very cost effective.

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Harvey Green: episode 17 I had to look up, and you know, back then, they were known as nuclear cyber and so now they are known as artists, I guess you know the you guys want to address that the name change there.

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Randy Brown: Sure yeah so we merged with another company and other cyber security company called artists out of the Australia out of Australia.

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Randy Brown: We made it official, I guess, in the end of June, so you see all our name changes is now artists, although it’s spelled artists, but artist, is the way we say it that’s how we do it, so thank you for that.

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Harvey Green: yeah no no problem, I mean that’s like Oh, this is kind of the next level of what we were just talking about you know with being able to.

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Harvey Green: store your data on Prem this is kind of the next level to that being able to secure it past just having you know, the ability to point to which drive it’s on so.

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Randy Brown: Absolutely yeah absolutely we don’t care where the data is will protect it for you.

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Randy Brown: it’s still it’s still our product still nc protect yep i’m on that the top secret side of the product called cogency with a K anything yeah.

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Randy Brown: All right, which I think is a cool name so.

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Jirah Cox: Data or objects right s3 data stored in the cluster need to be the contents of the entire share right or the entire s3 namespace so those can now both be sort of bottomless.

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Jirah Cox: buckets if you will it go out to cloud tears whether it’s our on Prem s3 storage, whether it’s aws s3 azure blob.

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Jirah Cox: No, I agree right, I mean it’s it’s it was, I think, just my opinion, the first way we really evolved beyond we run desktops really well we run servers really well right now it’s like we can take on other roles in the data Center.

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Jirah Cox: You know re platforming to do, or you know every five years, if you don’t grow, you know throw out the old one move to the new one, and with the tactics that all goes away right add new nodes scale, you know when you need to so it makes sense for backups as well right.

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Andy Whiteside: profile storage mechanism these days for people in the vdi realm and virtual desktop and virtual APP realm when I hear a customer has mechanics and they have files, but they’re not putting that technology on top of it i’m like oh you’re missing a great opportunity to have.

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Jirah Cox: wrap you know policy based protection around shares that go beyond way beyond just a simple acl right that ability to say like oh you’re coming in from some of that I don’t trust a authenticate even more for me to get to this data right.

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Jirah Cox: Production for the shares, you cannot do women rp oh so that your data gets from prod over to the Dr site even faster and then also, of course, maintains that ability to do self service or store so that that one, as a former admin is near and dear to my heart.

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Harvey Green: Right absolutely I mean when when ever I don’t know about your experience with that, but whenever that happened, whatever that file was became the hugest emergency for that person.

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Jirah Cox: The most creative writing and those helped us tickets right like work stoppage P one P zero.

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Harvey Green: Right yep.

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Andy Whiteside: As well as as far as.

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Harvey Green: The cake recipe.

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Andy Whiteside: Alright i’m the i’m the Nazi guy not enough he’s bad word i’m the guy who runs around saying stop using acronyms diaries at rpm which stands for.

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Jirah Cox: yeah the recovery point objective right so.

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Jirah Cox: Remember, I said it, I said it to write your data gets the Dr site faster.

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Andy Whiteside: But you explained it, but then you know.

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Andy Whiteside: Exactly what that is.

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Andy Whiteside: So that’s often used in a conversation with the acronym of our to.

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Jirah Cox: Sure what’s that stand for every time.

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Jirah Cox: yeah totally so that ability to you know, know that the data I right at one site is at the other site.

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Jirah Cox: as fast as possible right currently we’re advertising that women are PO.

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Jirah Cox: And, but it’s actually instantly available for retrieval right so as soon as you want to go get it from the other side right, I can either tell the share to fail over or even stays on the other side in a reasonable fashion so it’s it’s.

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Jirah Cox: it’s ready to be used right no lengthy like preparation rehydration type of song and dance yeah.

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Andy Whiteside: Alright guys five minutes left in the recording Harvey anything that happened.

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Andy Whiteside: In next that we haven’t covered that you thought was exciting.

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Harvey Green: um gosh on the spot.

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Andy Whiteside: Zara.

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Harvey Green: yeah I don’t have anything but I don’t have anything on top of it leaves so.

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Jirah Cox: We can bring in for a landing, so how about this right hdi is the marriage of software and hardware, but obviously all software is powered by hardware.

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Jirah Cox: So super happy to see isolate cpus and amd Milan cpus from Intel and amd coming to all platforms just gives our customers more options more power.

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Jirah Cox: there’s not an APP that it’s been going to get that doesn’t want higher clock speeds more performance more cores for vdi environments right, these are all fantastic things.

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Jirah Cox: Along with you know the beauty of new tannic solutions is that, as you do, that natural hardware evolution over time, as you do, that refresh you get more power with each generation.

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Jirah Cox: And now the with the newest nodes able to come with like octane plus envy me it’s almost wild to think that we have a storage tier above envy me.

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Jirah Cox: Where the hottest day we can hit hit an octane tier above envy me and envy me as the cold tier it almost just feels weird to say, but like that’s that’s crazy right 30% faster reads for opting disks.

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Jirah Cox: And then i’ll wasn’t on this one here.

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Jirah Cox: Human announcement right so as a scale out platform we’ve always been fantastic at running scale out workloads vdi, of course, as the first 111 years ago.

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Jirah Cox: For scale up databases right we’ve always agreed with Microsoft right you want more V disks to get more performance it’s very natural when you build out your systems.

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Jirah Cox: See Oracle as well, of course, everybody says more V disks equals more performance and we agree as well for for lockdown scale up databases right where you don’t necessarily have that option to lay out the data in a wider fashion to get more horsepower applied to it.

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Jirah Cox: Very cool announcement from the stage about data starting, so we can now.

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Jirah Cox: seamlessly below the level of the Venus that you see treat it like multiple V disks on our level, and we can we can do that scale out at an invisible layer to you.

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Jirah Cox: So we can apply more performance to workloads that need it, even when you can’t necessarily rework it according to our best practices.

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Jirah Cox: Some more performance more workloads right basically everybody gets on gets on board with that train yep.

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Andy Whiteside: alright.

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Andy Whiteside: Alright, so I do wanna I do want to bring one back around.

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Andy Whiteside: What we didn’t talk about it, but the so Java your solution is always the Nx the in house version is really always been nutrients great software, on top of a good super micro gear a solid announcement of the day, brown super micro being an official server platform.

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Andy Whiteside: Can you just elaborate on the the what that means from the history of mechanics into you know the ability now to support the platform on super micro.

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Jirah Cox: You also got me there buddy.

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Jirah Cox: I didn’t see that announce meant and it’s not sparking a neuron on on my side, we definitely have have the annex platform it’s a fantastic one along with you know customers choice of all hardware options right from Fujitsu Dell Lenovo.

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Jirah Cox: HP HP.

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Andy Whiteside: So I might have dreamed it and it’s not used to dream stuff like that so that’s the second time today have admitted that and then secretly embarrassing.

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Andy Whiteside: However.

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Andy Whiteside: i’ve done an impression, and these are the mouse.

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Harvey Green: Is that I think you’ll probably get.

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Randy Brown: To the same.

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Harvey Green: Page here in just a second while you’re sharing your screen.

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Harvey Green: But before this was always Oh, this is fantastic this platform, this is the Nx know type I don’t remember them ever saying.

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Harvey Green: Oh yeah this is super micro and I, this is the first time i’m seeing on the site that they are saying this is purpose built super micro solutions so that might have been what you’re referring to here.

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Andy Whiteside: It is.

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Andy Whiteside: where’s the microphone and i’ve.

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Harvey Green: seen that yeah.

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Andy Whiteside: there’s there’s a lot of super micro shops out there, that you know they’ve been maybe now they’re actually buying super micro that just happens to come on you can’t software and it’s supported in bulk.

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Andy Whiteside: From the other direction.

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Jirah Cox: that’s how I read this right just reading off the screen here about so are our elevate partner program which you guys are.

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Jirah Cox: are in and our rockin at so if super micro joins the is joining the elevate partner program right that’s super micro saying hey you should buy these things that we make ultimately to sell to new tactics to become an x nodes.

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Jirah Cox: Now you can get them as as Nx from us as well.

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Andy Whiteside: You guys can tell them i’m googling.

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Andy Whiteside: Intel data blocks that’s another one that would I would love to see you can formalize a relationship with it’s another great platform, but nonetheless.

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Andy Whiteside: we’re gonna go there, like that one.

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Jirah Cox: we’ve got him that’s that’s it that’s a done deal it wasn’t.

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Andy Whiteside: Well i’ve got to go find that out that’s all.

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Jirah Cox: You every.

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Andy Whiteside: Day.

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Jirah Cox: If you average the Andy request time for clusters on azure as well as a ios on Intel data Center blocks, you get you get very low response times.

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Harvey Green: that’s cheap can’t do that.

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Andy Whiteside: Well, you took one that was like six months and computed the one that was sub hey.

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Andy Whiteside: hey.

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Jirah Cox: Baba second Okay, I did the math.

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Randy Brown: If you reject the latency it’s about.

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Harvey Green: Five minutes there’s areas.

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Andy Whiteside: Alright guys well a last chance Arctic Scott artists guys any parting comments.

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Randy Brown: know we as as mentioned, for we were sponsored dot next conference had a great boost their had like it will come by so we’re excited to continue the partnership with new tannic sense INTEGRA so we’re very happy with it.

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Jirah Cox: Thank you have a partnership, thank you for, thank you for the fantastic solution, I think, is really a fantastic way to protect protect the data that goes into files, make sure.

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Andy Whiteside: Harvey your chance.

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Harvey Green: I am good, believe it or not.

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Harvey Green: It doesn’t happen often does it.

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Harvey Green: I think we’ve hit everything that we need to hit for this one, but we’ll have lots of content and much more detail in the coming weeks, based on that next.

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Andy Whiteside: rv rv is run out of juice Somebody tell them it’s only Thursday.

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Andy Whiteside: five hour energy and.

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Andy Whiteside: that’s I know you have plenty energy.

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Andy Whiteside: If not, I think, drivers in a good job, covering it and you know I can’t wait to be back in person, that would be my parting shot is this is all well and good, but.

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Andy Whiteside: it’s the people time that’s killing us and that’s why we’re in Durham doing a baseball game we’re we’re we’re giving people the opportunity to get out and let’s let’s go get some stuff done gyro your your parting comments.

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Jirah Cox: The if this is all you learned about from next, that is a great disservice to everything we announced and you should definitely go register for the replays watch them they don’t take a long time on the breakouts or on demand as well.

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Jirah Cox: And it’s fantastic and at the human interest level right there’s even in every conference has that little like you know non technical just interest level or at gaming corner.

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Jirah Cox: What I loved is even in our platform if you’re kind of just stressed out if it’s you know, maybe close to four o’clock on a weekday and you just need to to Zen out for a moment.

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Jirah Cox: meditation sessions on their 15 minutes of puppies rolling around in a puppy playpen go watch that and a really, really cool.

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Jirah Cox: smartphone photography top tips and tricks class, you know takes about 1015 minutes to get in and out from Conde nast global international renowned photographer who like.

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Jirah Cox: Take some photos shows you how to retweet them right there on your phone so really, really good stuff on there for the low price of free so go check it out.

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Andy Whiteside: Are you telling me that if I didn’t watch puppies for 30 minutes my boss walks by i’m gonna be able to explain that it’s working.

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Jirah Cox: I mean that’s what i’m banking on so.

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Harvey Green: yeah.

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Good luck.

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Harvey Green: Well that’s the whole we don’t have to say.

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Andy Whiteside: Alright guys well I just got the two minute notice that my truck is illegally parked i’ve got to go.

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Harvey Green: yeah go get that.

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Andy Whiteside: Alright guys thanks for joining.

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Jeff Melnick: US bye bye.