33: Nutanix Weekly: Hybrid Cloud Infrastructure with Nutanix and Microsoft Azure – Part 2

Oct 29, 2021

In recent years, and the last 18 months in particular, IT teams have been under pressure to become more agile to support an increasingly hybrid workplace amidst ever evolving business needs. Many businesses have packed years’ worth of digital transformation efforts into a short span of time while operating under reduced budgets. Both private and public cloud vendors are striving to better serve their customers’ needs, which frequently includes running workloads on a mix of on-premises and cloud infrastructure, dictated by workload and business needs. 

While the idea of a Hybrid Cloud architecture has been around for a while, there have been several challenges that prevented rapid adoption of hybrid cloud platforms. Managing complex networking between on-premises datacenters and public clouds has been a long-standing obstacle, and re-architecting legacy applications for the cloud can be time-consuming and expensive. Another issue has been the inefficiency created by silos of using multiple different management tools for various clouds.

To address these challenges and power their customers IT needs to the next level, Nutanix is collaborating with Microsoft on hybrid cloud solutions that help blend the boundaries between cloud and on-premises for a true hybrid cloud experience.

Host: Andy Whiteside
Co-Host: Harvey Green
Co-Host: Jirah Cox

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Andy Whiteside: Hello everyone and welcome to episode 33 of new tactics weekly that’s right it’s the Larry bird episode, we were just joking about that before we hit record.

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Andy Whiteside: People my generation just automatically think.

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Andy Whiteside: 33 years later bird unless you grew up where I grew up in 33 also is equals a racecar driver name here again.

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Andy Whiteside: In the world of nascar which i’m sure everybody else is like just like Harvey is right now i’m shaking their head going.

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Andy Whiteside: To even bring that up I don’t know but we’re gonna move on anyway Harvey Greens with me Harvey and I last week at a conference we’re heading to Philadelphia for edgy calls to be with the new techniques and citrix folks Harvey how’s it going.

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Harvey Green: i’m doing well, how are you.

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Andy Whiteside: your wife mad about travel and stuff already got two weeks are.

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Harvey Green: Only when i’m gone so right now i’m safe and not so much tomorrow.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah well we get speaking of traveling got jarrod Cox with this as always gyro was saying before we hit record how grateful I was for you to jump on it cuz you’re always so knowledgeable and.

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Andy Whiteside: You know I talked to people as i’m out and about and they talk about how much value you add all this, so thank you and public here.

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Jirah Cox: My pleasure man, this is a lot of fun thank y’all for let me do it.

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Andy Whiteside: Speaking of traveling you still have a bunch of moving boxes behind you.

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Jirah Cox: So it’s it’s a process.

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Harvey Green: I think, is, I think, is not a real thing he just did this, to make us feel nervous and stuff.

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Jirah Cox: So I don’t know if we’ve even talked about that, on the on the show so i’m in the process of packing up in Charlotte moving to the raleigh area for a little down the road relocation so.

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Jirah Cox: we’re in the process of right now we’re in that phase where you can get like a few minutes notice and it’s like leave your House for showing you know let’s unveils come wander around.

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Jirah Cox: Your House you know unsupervised.

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Jirah Cox: it’s great, let me tell you.

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Andy Whiteside: I can see what I see there is that a basement or is that, like your main living or.

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Jirah Cox: Not which of those is worse, no, this is just this is just my office is one of the bedrooms in the House here.

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Jirah Cox: yeah Okay, it looks like a wreck so i’m trying to think what would be worse for it to be like a basement.

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Jirah Cox: it’s terrible actually have a sign on the door like.

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Jirah Cox: Blaming like you know you’re allowed to look in here, but like don’t judge me.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah I just imagine in my world historically I somebody opens the door like Oh, my goodness, what is this computer troll that lives in here and they just shut the door.

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Jirah Cox: And this is this is mostly cleaned out a lot of stuff in storage.

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Andy Whiteside: But do you have like a server you have a server rack and all the other it madness people like.

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Jirah Cox: we’re thinning out we’re doing to a MAC mini nas and a couple of desktops that mostly get me by.

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Andy Whiteside: When I when I sold my house before the last one in my laundry might put a shelf and I literally had 12 little mini servers because I used to teach workshops out of my house.

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Andy Whiteside: running on the in my laundry room at any point time I turn them all on sound like space sound like a airplane was gonna take off in there for a little while.

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Jirah Cox: So yeah our House, a couple years old, so it has that kind of you know pre built wiring stuff and there’s a little plastic wiring wiring thing in the in the laundry room and my firewall doesn’t fit in it so it’s just bolted onto the side of the wall next to it looks great.

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Jirah Cox: I tell you.

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Jirah Cox: it’s various that.

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Andy Whiteside: that’s exactly why I had a adele checkpoint at a checkpoint router mounted to the wall my laundry room and i’m sure people came in and thought of some kind of magical AV solution or something I don’t know I I charged extra for that.

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Andy Whiteside: Alright, so we were chit chatting as we got started here and we we realized that there’s a part two of the.

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Andy Whiteside: As your clusters, excuse me intended clusters on azure that we never got to and never finished, a couple weeks ago.

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Andy Whiteside: So I don’t know how in the world, we go about possibly recapping what we covered so far, other than to say if you’re not familiar with it’s it’s currently in pre release right is it live or is it not live at this point.

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Andy Whiteside: that’s what i’m in preview um we talked about that a couple weeks ago back go back and listen to Part one we talked about what new tactics, is doing we’re calling a clusters to write recalling clusters, is that the right way to.

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Jirah Cox: address it.

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Jirah Cox: would be yep closers on azure.

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Andy Whiteside: Which is essentially new tactics, as the operating system on top of new tonics Acropolis hypervisor on top of as your compute physical bare metal resources in various as your Microsoft azure data centers and more to come right.

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Jirah Cox: All I think I think 100% true yeah and i’ll send it right to me about.

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Jirah Cox: The job you know, a way to a way to use.

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Jirah Cox: cloud providers offering you know bare metal instances hardware as a service to form the tax clusters and give you another leg in your you know hybrid multi cloud deployment.

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Andy Whiteside: So jarrod you had a action item from from the last one Do you remember what it was.

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Jirah Cox: No, I think you’re right to remind me.

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Andy Whiteside: uh well I don’t think you officially had it so don’t feel like you had to have an answer, but when I say it, you guys are buzzing about oh yeah we meant to fear that we, we were.

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Andy Whiteside: I still have the question do I get the windows client os aka windows 10 windows 11 entitlements if I run.

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Andy Whiteside: In azure but not directly on on native azure but I run on top of something I need to do, I get the Multi session windows 10 windows 11 do I get the subscription benefits of scripts subscription ios versus having to bring my own.

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Jirah Cox: got it yeah yeah I think I think I said i’ll check out of that just to be polite for the recording but I don’t.

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Jirah Cox: I don’t even know what where I go to get that answer for you buddy.

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Jirah Cox: I mean, maybe somebody with an at Microsoft COM email address.

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Andy Whiteside: I can tell you i’ve been asking those at Microsoft guys forever and they never know the answer to.

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Andy Whiteside: That when it’s like.

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Andy Whiteside: To me it’s mainstream you know, one of the top things we need to know if we’re going to move our desktop and APP workloads.

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Andy Whiteside: into azure is it do I get that there’s benefits if I put it on top of other things there’s there’s still getting the azure compute you think the answer would be yes, all things driving as your consumption, but I just don’t know.

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Harvey Green: Oh i’m going to go with no, and the reason i’m giving my qualified, though, is because the only place that you can get windows 10 multi session is in the azure gallery which you would not be using if you’re using clusters hmm.

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Andy Whiteside: Now is that a.

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Andy Whiteside: eula enforce thing or technically, the only thing will work with windows 10 multi session and azure is from the gallery.

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Harvey Green: It is the only way, you can get the the actual ISO image to install multi session is the gallery.

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Andy Whiteside: Is that one of the weather, where there’s a will there’s a way kind of things.

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Harvey Green: I mean i’m guessing after you have the ISO you can do whatever you want with it, but that would be eula in forest.

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Andy Whiteside: Maybe maybe not.

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Harvey Green: I don’t know I still go.

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Harvey Green: Andy this slope is not desolate very.

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Andy Whiteside: Well, you can tell, I want the answer to be yes.

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Harvey Green: Call I know you do.

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Andy Whiteside: Another world of opportunity.

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Harvey Green: I mean, so the answer is if there’s a will there’s a way, but that would not be a supported way.

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Harvey Green: How about that.

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Jirah Cox: Oh hello, yes licensing police, yes, this podcast right here.

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Andy Whiteside: I don’t know if he meant that in terms of licensing support or technical support or both.

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Harvey Green: The answer is no, unless your name is Andy and then the answer is.

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Andy Whiteside: Still, no.

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Andy Whiteside: I get it, I get, I just wanted to be yes, I think it it helps everybody involved if if the answer is yes, as long as it’s an azure and you know you have this whole.

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Andy Whiteside: Anti trust and monopoly type thing from way back when I I don’t know how you can say you can do it in our data Center on our stuff but not in our data Center on somebody else’s stuff on top of our stuff.

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Andy Whiteside: i’m like what at some point when does it become right and When does it become wrong.

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Jirah Cox: Well, I mean.

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Jirah Cox: Microsoft in 2021 would never lose that antitrust lawsuit in today’s climate right, like any tech company worth you know more than my house does way more non competitive things when right the antitrust things today right from lockdown browsers to email clients to.

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Jirah Cox: You know mailing lists to use are you you can’t do that in our os like it’s almost I think it’s almost funny to think back and say.

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Jirah Cox: Wait so they lost that because they just included, ie with a windows build in a world where a 30 megabyte download took all night and you hoped you didn’t get a call yeah.

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Harvey Green: yeah it is yes, it was exactly the same, for you know you type something into chrome and you get results from Google right that’s not a huge surprise, but for some reason people didn’t like that.

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Andy Whiteside: Well, I equated to the old world world enough for this where you would buy an aftermarket radio and put in your car.

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Andy Whiteside: You can’t do that anymore I don’t think because the cars have all these very highly integrated radios you know, does it do the radio companies Sue Toyota because you can’t but one of the radios anymore.

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Harvey Green: So that that’s actually an interesting topic and need because that’s another situation of where there’s a will there’s a way.

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Harvey Green: You can get that you can get that aftermarket radio in there it’s just they can’t account for what your dash looks like after that.

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Harvey Green: Right or lack thereof.

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Andy Whiteside: Well, and that’s kind of my point here, too, is what makes it Nice and all the great things that could come with the ability to have this run on top of.

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Andy Whiteside: Non native azure but still azure I mean it’s a win, for I think everybody I don’t know that Microsoft loses they get more consumption, if that happens, I think, well, maybe not the Multi session thing that’s counter kind of counter maybe.

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Andy Whiteside: They get to work.

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Harvey Green: yeah.

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Andy Whiteside: All right, well nonetheless i’ve got on the screen here our listeners can’t but our viewers, eventually, will be able to see what we’re talking about, I think, where we left off was network and storage architecture um.

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Harvey Green: I don’t know I.

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Harvey Green: gotta say anything before we jump into that it is very nice to have you back because I can’t play devil’s advocate nearly as well as you.

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Andy Whiteside: know, I agree, I listened to it and did you guys do a great job but.

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Harvey Green: saying you guys.

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Andy Whiteside: know I.

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Andy Whiteside: I just have a way of being an ass so that I challenge.

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Andy Whiteside: challenge the concepts.

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Andy Whiteside: And still come off hopefully a little likable not a lot like a little like.

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Harvey Green: I love.

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Andy Whiteside: You guys do a great job without me I.

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Andy Whiteside: Love doing it, and hopefully come across that.

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Harvey Green: yeah oh absolutely Yes, this is very good actually to to have that.

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Harvey Green: challenge built in I enjoy.

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Harvey Green: As you can tell, because i’m still here right.

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Harvey Green: Andy is talking but I cannot.

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Andy Whiteside: hear him is that meet.

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Harvey Green: me.

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Jirah Cox: Welcome to.

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Jirah Cox: drop a marker here.

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Andy Whiteside: Are the edits that.

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Jirah Cox: Right.

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Harvey Green: I can see you, but I cannot hear you.

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Harvey Green: Yes, hi.

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Harvey Green: Hello we’re waving at him for those.

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Andy Whiteside: of you and.

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Jirah Cox: podcast space there you go.

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Jirah Cox: we’ll put up a.

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Jirah Cox: Those two and three are waving it hosts one shaking their head.

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Andy Whiteside: about now.

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Jirah Cox: hey welcome back.

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Andy Whiteside: I don’t understand I just had to switch microphone my microphone die.

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Jirah Cox: This is what people didn’t enforce.

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Harvey Green: Right right.

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Andy Whiteside: So what I was getting ready to say is I came to the realization not too long ago that these conversations we have during these podcasts are the conversations that I wish I could have when i’m at the.

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Andy Whiteside: The the parties or whatever I go to with my wife or my kids and my family on the weekend and i’m talking to the other dads and I want to talk about this stuff but they don’t want to talk about this stuff.

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Harvey Green: ya know that it gets you kicked out of a party pretty quickly.

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Jirah Cox: I mean just need to pick better parties all the parties, I go to we get this like what cloud stuff.

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Andy Whiteside: I don’t know how you do, that my friend my wife’s friends husbands and I cannot talk about this stuff there’s one guy that talks to me about this, and he seemed genuinely interested, but at the same time, I think he’s just being Nice.

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Harvey Green: tyra.

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Jirah Cox: Well, I must not going to define party or frequency or friend these.

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Harvey Green: pumps up over there.

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Harvey Green: or he’s gonna be looking for whatever you’re talking about.

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Andy Whiteside: A movie gyros neverland.

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Jirah Cox: You only go to parties at cloud conferences all your parties talk about clouds so it works.

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Harvey Green: You keep it up and i’ll put it on one of those mysterious showings where you got to get out of the House and.

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Andy Whiteside: It goes to switch back to Mother Mike but first i’m gonna ask direct questions are we left off with this network and storage architecture.

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Andy Whiteside: You want to try to help us between the picture in the couple paragraphs that are here understand what new tech new tannic says, highlighting for new tannic clusters on azure.

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Jirah Cox: Totally so the some of the big takeaways around quality of life, ease of use right are the sort of the simplicity of the way you can you can integrate.

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Jirah Cox: New tanks cluster into your existing topology if you already have probably infrastructure deployed running an azure you want, or if you need to build a you know relocate vm they’re coming from the phoenix cluster.

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Jirah Cox: To keep on using functionality you’re already used to write your next flow mechanics.

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Jirah Cox: mechanics era for like database automation but you also want maybe cloud a Jason Z right you want close proximity low latency to get connected cloud native services right we’re highlighting here so i’m like you know blob storage.

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Jirah Cox: You know other sources, you can get through through azure right like sequel databases.

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Jirah Cox: What at azure ad, of course, what all we have a run up there, so that kind of cloud Jason see.

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Jirah Cox: You know, you know best of breed cloud access for your vm that run on the tags clusters.

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Jirah Cox: That of course is all part of the offering right those themes that run cloud can get great access to cloud services, but then the way you get to those also can leverage your existing plumbing if you will right whether that’s.

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Jirah Cox: You know, express route, whether that’s a vpn.

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Jirah Cox: How are you good to azure today the that all would apply as well to how you can access these dams right so not no need to reinvent wheels there for how would you get to to your vm that run on any tax cluster on azure.

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Andy Whiteside: Well that’s good for the folks that are adopting this day, can you hear me.

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Andy Whiteside: Yes, okay good you guys had that look on your face like he’s talking he’s moving but nothing’s coming out.

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Andy Whiteside: So so gyro that’s really good for those who are new into this world they don’t have to deviate from the Microsoft side of how it works and then also those that have already established there as your networking footprint, this is just more the same or similar that’s what you’re saying.

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Jirah Cox: Like a vignette all that all that would apply here right like you’ve already you’ve already called carve out your cut your company’s peanuts in azure right, we can just attach to attached to those.

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Jirah Cox: brand new launched on on ios six Oh, and we will be a part of the azure clusters and essentially the flow the gateway vm as well that deploy into your as your V net that just covers the the connectivity right of how your vm get in and out of the mechanics cluster.

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Harvey Green: No we’re not going to encourage that at all.

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Harvey Green: um so no I guess again the I guess the piece that that I would say that what you already kind of brought up.

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Harvey Green: Is you’re able to use some of the skills you already have on things like flow our prison central and control things that are outside of your own from deployment.

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Jirah Cox: Read reuse my automation right and when our favorite topics right target mechanics in this data Center you can access that data Center or in clinics up in the cloud identically right like.

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Jirah Cox: Right, you know it’s it’s different outcomes right private data Center on Prem vmware cloud vm but, but the same tooling and automation right that you could target any any other as a tree cluster on Prem also applies to two clusters up in the cloud.

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Jirah Cox: The portal right it’s like the mcs tool and it’s like the cluster deployment tool for 14 X in public clouds.

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Jirah Cox: We just request a new node and forget about the old node right fail forward fail on to new nodes and so that’s a that’s a service that you get from that mcs portal right the provisioning through the mechanics portal.

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Jirah Cox: But but that’s all we’ve built that automation for you, you simply just if you know newt annex you just say, I want to get X cluster in that cloud done right and you already know how to operate it.

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Jirah Cox: new to me and it’s you know it’s for looking but exciting right, so the ability to use.

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Jirah Cox: to purchase both any tax software and the azure you know this as efficient really as your nodes right so that’s pretty exciting that that you will be able to just.

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Jirah Cox: use that one no funding vehicle other insert other procurement terms here to pay for you know running the software on these azure nodes so it makes licensing kind of even more easy.

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Andy Whiteside: I guess that’s a good news to me the ability to leverage this and the commitment consumption commitment that you’ve already made with Microsoft I guess that’s just that’s part of it right.

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Jirah Cox: And so the ability to say you know here’s another another solution that we can use out of that you know piggy bank makes it even easier consumption yeah.

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Harvey Green: and, eventually, you know they might add other features to it that you, you know normally only have an azure that you can actually get you know in clusters on azure you know I maybe somebody might want you know windows 10 or windows 11 multi session or something like that.

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Harvey Green: Oh no i’m saying this is the gateway for you being right they just need to build more features on like the one you how it.

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Andy Whiteside: All right, bringing cloud practices on premises with azure Arc I have no idea what as your Arc is what’s as your.

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Jirah Cox: i’m sure i’m sure specialist would would tell me i’m wrong in eight different ways, but the ability to use us Arc in one place or azure to.

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Jirah Cox: Carbon can run pretty much anywhere that mechanics hv cam which is both on Prem and, of course, coming up here in etfs clusters and azure.

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Jirah Cox: So, then, that can then be turned into a a Cooper natives cluster and hosted with carbon there, which is our you know package supported offering of Cooper 90s.

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Jirah Cox: So that kind of a broad landscape visibility through arc of all your company’s deployments including ones hosted on carbon so again another sort of common tooling to reach multiple deployments multiple locations.

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Jirah Cox: You know connected to automation right our favorite topic.

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Jirah Cox: I, I do not support that at all if you’re listening to this, you should be ashamed did not give me a hard time about automation.

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Andy Whiteside: Alright, so next session got next section has four bullets with it a hybrid cloud freedom and the tactics and Microsoft, I think this is a big part of the goal here right is to make it so where you can you can run what you want, where you want when you want it.

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Andy Whiteside: What was the comment you made from next or maybe it was different it was you guys think was you like 40% of the workloads that we’re supposed to go the cloud that now been determined they won’t go to the cloud is it, am I, making those numbers up.

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Jirah Cox: What do you think will move to the cloud and that forecast has come way way down right from kind of the I don’t know i’ll say the heady days, the early days of saying oh yeah I can run.

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Jirah Cox: At 90% like everything but the mainframe goes to cloud and that’s coming way way way down right a lot of customers are seeing.

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Jirah Cox: That probably is never going to be containerized until one day you wake up and they’ve told you here’s the containerized deployment method for that application right and so that that has it as.

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Jirah Cox: Because if it’s going to stay a virtual machine you that one like let’s let’s think about where that’s best to run right whether that’s going to go cloud native vmware that’s going to be clusters on on azure on Prem vm.

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Jirah Cox: You know a lot of things right, like you, actually, you mentioned the top of the podcaster right checkpoint.

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Jirah Cox: router and, in my experience with those I think was back in my like exchange days right a skill set that we sort of all let die as that traditional on Prem stodgy application just went from there straight to pure SAS right.

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Jirah Cox: And, and you need a heck of a justification now today to run exchange on Prem because you basically have to run it, as well as Microsoft would run it in production.

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Jirah Cox: To have that’d be a good value to the business right, it can be done, but it’s a different kind of proposition than the whole like.

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Jirah Cox: You know not change the packaging right keep it as a vm and shipping around answer you know, on Prem is is having a resurgence right that’s why we.

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Jirah Cox: that’s why we are going all in on hybrid multi cloud right to say you definitely need to be able to deploy everywhere and have worked with all over the place right and and key paragraph highlights is that agility right if it starts one place, how do I get it somewhere else.

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Jirah Cox: And and that’s one thing the clusters makes super easy right is it can you can go from cloud to cloud on Prem just as easily as it could go from cabinet the Cabinet the Cabinet, you know, in a single on Prem mechanics data Center.

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Jirah Cox: But then, as you follow that reality right and the ability to to deploy to lots of places right lots of parts of your hyper multi cloud world or even, as you have done it right and you’ve got Apps everywhere.

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Jirah Cox: Keeping that simplicity at the core of the offering to say yeah sure do I have stuff in like every availability zone known to man, because I have different requirements for each one.

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Jirah Cox: Yes, but can I see them all in one place is it easy to get my arms around.

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Jirah Cox: Take my inventory, make sure that everything i’ve placed in every single zone has good governance and cost controls and justifications right and is it right size and being a good steward of the resources that answer, of course, remains yes yeah.

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Harvey Green: I mean honestly the the piece that you asked gyro about about the percentage around the workloads that people thought were going cloud, and maybe not, I think.

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Harvey Green: That overall probably rejects our projects, the reality of what’s going on, on the whole, is that you know before.

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Harvey Green: cloud was just this really big concept of I can go run everything in the cloud or I can’t I shouldn’t do anything in the cloud, and now, people are actually getting a real feel for what it actually is what it actually means what you can do what you shouldn’t do.

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Harvey Green: You know, because they’re running everything and I can’t do anything if it breaks, I think, now that.

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Harvey Green: I you know it’s almost weird how it always comes back around to that doesn’t it.

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Andy Whiteside: it’s true and it takes a while, sometimes and it’s not just about the cool kid doing the coolest thing.

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Andy Whiteside: So I can go get another job somewhere else right.

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Andy Whiteside: It cocktail party trying to impress everybody like I assume people think I am when i’m talking about all this stuff in there, like what in the world is he talking about.

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Andy Whiteside: i’m not i’m not trying to impress them that’s just what I want to talk about right.

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Andy Whiteside: guys maybe we should turn this into a cocktail party so last thing we do every Monday we could we could start having beers.

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To plan.

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Jirah Cox: I probably wouldn’t probably only do good things with the podcast I have to assume.

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Andy Whiteside: My my speech is slurred enough as it is, but hey you know still could be fun.

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Harvey Green: that’s just a southern drawl.

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Andy Whiteside: Or the mumbles I get the mumbles plenty to.

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Andy Whiteside: Well guys, I appreciate he’s pretty good there you go see there.

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Andy Whiteside: I appreciate you guys joining.

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Andy Whiteside: Our listeners Thank you Darren Thank you, as always Harbin i’ll be in Philadelphia, if you want to come hang hang out with us the next couple days in the new tannic citrix I gel booth at educause man.

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Jirah Cox: fun times yeah.

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Harvey Green: Looking forward to seeing everybody there every one of the listeners, who are there.

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Harvey Green: You know we’ll figure out how to do something special for you, if you come, let us know you list.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah stop by.

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Jirah Cox: Hopefully i’ll get this published.

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Andy Whiteside: We get apart.

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Jirah Cox: yeah Harvey was your shirt.

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Harvey Green: that’s right.

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Andy Whiteside: We have sharon’s.

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Harvey Green: We can do that, we can do that.

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Andy Whiteside: We kind of get some money T shirts printed has been a while and I need to get back to the yeah I got you back to the new tannic slow good shirts everybody loves us not as not as much as one hv but they definitely.

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Andy Whiteside: Alright guys well, I appreciate it another Monday in the books and we’ll do it again next week.

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Jirah Cox: Okay, oh.

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