57: IGEL Weekly: How to: IGEL OS with Chromium Guide

Jul 20, 2022

Recently, in the IGEL Community, Leon Beitsch, IGEL Community VIP, released a white paper detailing how to configure IGEL OS with Chromium. This is a hot topic, and Leon does a great job sharing the fine details on installing and configuring Chromium with IGEL OS. 

Host: Andy Whiteside
Co-host: Chris Feeney
Co-host: Patrick Toner

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Andy Whiteside: one.

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Andy Whiteside: That everyone and welcome to episode 57 of I Joe weekly i’m your host Andy whiteside i’ve got Patrick toner with me on this INTEGRA side, Patrick how’s it going.

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Patrick Toner: anywhere you don’t go and good you know just getting settled in down here in Florida enjoying the daily thunderstorms a little bit different from where i’m from but that doing well doing well, good glad to be here.

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Andy Whiteside: Have you got involved in the citrix user group in jacksonville yet i’m gonna bug.

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Patrick Toner: yeah, no, no, not outside of just sending messages, so I plan to attend the next you know few events here just get really plugged in definitely excited to get a get involved there yeah.

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Andy Whiteside: Well, I think that would welcome you as a leader, because they can they can always have more leaders and i’m gonna i’m gonna get involved in the Charlotte one all over again it’s its fledgling.

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Andy Whiteside: And I know brad Swazi on a team who just joined this is going to do the Atlanta one as well, so just get involved, trying to help trying to help the Community, just like unfortunately citrix doesn’t have the power of the eye gel Community they totally set it up incorrectly, in my opinion.

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Andy Whiteside: All right, Chris finis with us from Idaho Chris how’s it going.

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Chris Feeney: it’s going great i’m feeling a little refresh this week short week but ready to rock and roll so.

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Andy Whiteside: What what city is that you have in your background.

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Chris Feeney: No idea.

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Chris Feeney: Okay honestly it’s a corporate background that.

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Chris Feeney: I Joe corporate it has put into zoom so to me represents the fact that I don’t have to commute into the office into the big downtown office or somewhere, I can actually work from anywhere, including this this location where I get a nice view of the city.

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Andy Whiteside: We were mucking around I was before we got on this call doing some zoom testing on my side i’ve been playing with teams and vdi and I gel the last few days.

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Andy Whiteside: So zoom virtual backgrounds work in the vdi version of zoom correct.

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Chris Feeney: yeah I think I want to say.

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Chris Feeney: For the listeners, we did a podcast on that there’s a there’s some instructions on how to do that I don’t remember off the top exactly what those are, but there is information on on on how to make that work reliably.

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Chris Feeney: When you’re doing the.

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Patrick Toner: basis yeah recent episode.

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Chris Feeney: yeah so go back and listen to it on 1.5 you’ll hear us talk like minnie mouse like.

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Patrick Toner: lesson so.

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Andy Whiteside: Chris is doing the zoom from a vdi session from an eye gel device correct.

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Chris Feeney: That is correct.

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Andy Whiteside: What what flavor of vdi or UN.

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Chris Feeney: it’s my custom vdi that I created.

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Andy Whiteside: The home home girl.

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Chris Feeney: yeah let’s just say it’s similar to RDP.

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Andy Whiteside: Okay, and you know what i’ll i’ll highlight that because.

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Andy Whiteside: A persistent vdi whether it’s an azure whether it’s in whether it’s using a DVD whether it’s using citrix whether it’s using vmware whether it’s using other technologies that are mainstream.

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Andy Whiteside: they’re still benefit in that because it’s available to you anywhere, you could put security around it, I am so frustrated with meeting customers that have pigeonholed.

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Andy Whiteside: Digital workspaces or vdi specifically into one niche group and their company and they haven’t seen the vision for what it could do for the more power users in the company I struggle with that all the time.

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Chris Feeney: You know that’s a great point I saw was just scrolling through linkedin and I happen to come across.

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Chris Feeney: Somebody posted I guess that it looked to me like it was some kind of exercise at something but.

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Chris Feeney: It was like every day was tracking kind of has he completed this circle in it, I guess that was like stuff like.

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Chris Feeney: You know, has he has he taken a walk as he been standing as he all this other stuff and he said, you know when he was going to the office, the the most days in a row that he was able to complete this was like five.

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Chris Feeney: With remote work, working from home having that flexibility he said i’m now on like a streak of like day 45 or whatever it was it was clearly and then he just hit upon all the reasons why.

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Chris Feeney: That flexible remote work has just made things better for him and a lot of ways and productive and all that stuff and just it just highlight all the reasons we talked about it’s just.

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Chris Feeney: You know there’s so many more tangible benefits to having a real digital workspace and I have no idea of this guy’s using.

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Chris Feeney: citrix or vmware even I Jill but the point is all the stuff we’ve talked about is there’s much more about it than that technical nuts and bolts pieces it’s it’s the benefits employees receive and all that stuff that.

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Andy Whiteside: Was it took a pandemic, to make us learn how to work smarter.

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Chris Feeney: I think so yeah.

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Chris Feeney: yeah.

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Andy Whiteside: i’ll highlight for you last week, I went to New York I use my vdi from a plane very successfully I use my vdi from a bus heading into the city, while in the tunnel.

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Chris Feeney: So that.

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Andy Whiteside: it’s pretty amazing and all that’s enabled from you know me grabbing a thin client on the way out the door and having 12 hours of battery life, while I bounced around the city on decent or better networks.

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Chris Feeney: yeah I mean and it’s in this world of 5g I mean that I mean LTE alone would be fine yeah but yeah I saw that, thank you for continuing to advance the cause their show what’s out of what’s possible.

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Andy Whiteside: Well, and the other part of what’s possible and we’re going to tie it back to this one real quick Patrick you using using the windows device right now right doing zoom.

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Patrick Toner: Se emojis out yeah i’m on a windows, a lot of Microsoft surface going local right now so we’re kind of covering all the basis.

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Chris Feeney: This is an eye gel podcast, by the way, right up the band you.

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Chris Feeney: know.

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You guys.

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Andy Whiteside: Probably have a.

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Andy Whiteside: window windows update right in the middle of this.

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Patrick Toner: is true.

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Patrick Toner: Actually, there, there is one pending.

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Andy Whiteside: So, but I bring that up because when you have a true digital workspace that includes vdi that includes x86 presented Apps and SAS Apps.

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Andy Whiteside: Because part of my story last week on my thin client was the fact that a browser on it and there were multiple times that I didn’t even have to go into vdi I went into my digital workspace and from there went where I needed to go.

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Andy Whiteside: I am i’m working with somebody your team actually Chris to come up with a presentation that just walks through all the options are.

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Andy Whiteside: Because people don’t have a clue a lot of them, most of them, most of them don’t have a clue what all the different options are.

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Andy Whiteside: They just know the one they’ve kind of grew up with and haven’t been able to deviate but the whole point that conversation is browser and we’re gonna talk about browser and what I chose done to include a modern day very accepted supportable browser in chromium in today’s discussion.

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Chris Feeney: yeah and not only that, but the power of the Community will get highlighted, since this is a Community podcast today yeah.

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Andy Whiteside: So let’s um let’s jump in if you guys can see my screen i’ve got the right one up here.

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Chris Feeney: yeah that’s.

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Patrick Toner: The one.

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Chris Feeney: there’s a blog that goes with it right is that the one there it is yep for those watching on video.

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Andy Whiteside: In the I Joe communities someone what’s this guy’s name.

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Andy Whiteside: posted a.

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Chris Feeney: Beyond Leon i’m going to get this brought me on bike.

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Chris Feeney: But you’re dead.

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Andy Whiteside: So the title of the blog is how to I Joe os with chromium not chrome chromium not chrome os not chrome browser but chromium browser i’ve also the Web browser and their guide.

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Andy Whiteside: But before we do that, between the two of you guys let’s walk down memory lane as to what I gel and maybe others have done in the term of in the form of browsers over the past decade, where do we start.

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Patrick Toner: Sure yeah you know I think when back when I mean for a long time now back when I was introduced to agile these five six years ago, whatever it was.

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Patrick Toner: You know the the option with has always been the firefox browser I Jill has for a long time, included the firefox browser is a local option.

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Patrick Toner: Which which for years was a huge competitive advantage against the other thin client solutions, especially from you know Dell and HP were for a long time, there was no browser option, and you know so firefox has kind of been the standard.

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Patrick Toner: For a long time and then recently, I want to say within the last year and a half, maybe less maybe was closer to a year ago I gel officially.

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Patrick Toner: entered a supported version of the chromium browser so so today I Joe Louis has two built in browser options, you still have the firefox browser.

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Patrick Toner: And you have the chromium browser and, of course, for anyone listening chromium is the Open Source browser that pretty much all the other browsers are based on now obviously Google chrome is based on chromium Microsoft edge is based on chromium so.

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Patrick Toner: You know, so it really is kind of the underlying Open Source browser that powers, all the other mainstream browsers, with the exception of obviously you know your things like brave browser firefox or some of the other ones.

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Patrick Toner: So it really does give you a lot of flexibility gives you a lot of things now part of what we’re talking about today is because.

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Patrick Toner: The chromium browser comes out of the box it doesn’t have all the bells and whistles is, for example, chrome it looks like chrome the icon is the same as chrome with a different color.

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Patrick Toner: But you need to customize a little bit, if you want to use it, the way you want to use chrome and that’s what this blog does such a good job of just kind of laying out a guide on how to change settings but.

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Patrick Toner: that’s where we are today, you know many people use the chromium browser they prefer it.

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Patrick Toner: that’s fully built in Nigel less now.

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Andy Whiteside: and Patrick how much of that is, they prefer it, which is probably true because that’s what they know how much of that is.

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Andy Whiteside: Is that’s what applications that you’re going to access SAS software as a service applications.

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Andy Whiteside: that’s what they require what that’s what they’re in for wasn’t that long ago that things were written for Internet explorer, six, seven, whatever.

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Andy Whiteside: But that ship kind of sailed and now there’s this is ideas of browser you don’t need to be specific, with the application versions, but you kind of need to be specific, with the browser edition version five yeah.

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Patrick Toner: yeah that’s true for the most part right they you know a lot of SAS base, you know browser based applications will tell you hey we support these few browsers that’s what we officially support.

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Patrick Toner: You know one thing i’ve always heard in the past customers have told me many times yeah I like firefox but I can’t manage firefox that’s why we don’t use it, the nice thing about agile it’s always been a good pivot is it well hey I Joel s in the US allows you to manage firefox policy.

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Patrick Toner: You know what with chromium you know because other browsers are based on it yeah it is going to be more I guess supported in you know, at least in my experience with you know browser based applications.

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Patrick Toner: However, there are ways and this guy goes through it a little bit where you can kind of trick the website into thinking you’re coming from a different browser or a different operating system.

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Patrick Toner: And that’s something that you can do, which is guide kind of touches on some of these options, but but yeah it’s it’s generally coming from a requirements your point end and maybe not always from a preference standpoint.

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Andy Whiteside: Do you guys have a point in time, in your career, where you saw you know chrome start to take off, but yet applications were Internet explorer based and you were in this no man’s land.

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Chris Feeney: Oh yeah that’s interesting I was just recently just dealt with this right so.

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Chris Feeney: My employment history, you know where I was before they.

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Chris Feeney: The main browser it was a web based ui and, but it was built off of Internet explorer and it wasn’t until recently, like.

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Chris Feeney: Recent versions, where they began to allow some of the administrative functionality to be used in other browsers chromium based, for that matter, so in generally speaking that’s chrome or edge.

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Chris Feeney: But for a very long time, you had to be on a certain browser version, and that was obviously embedded into Microsoft and now Microsoft has finally and you know basically end of life for the ever.

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Chris Feeney: explorer but there were so many of across the year so many applications based on that chrome would get you in but may not have all that functionality, and so there was.

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Chris Feeney: You know the sea change, whereas is the rise of SAS and stuff like that some of these things already out of the gate supported some of these other browsers.

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Chris Feeney: A lot of folks began to use, you know Max and bring your own kind of thing and they they’re the safari was their browser of choice and a lot of respects and.

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Chris Feeney: You know the user experience with safari is you know it’s different if you’re not used to that type of browser but but chrome and chromium rather has kind of become a pretty good standard across the board for application support.

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Andy Whiteside: And how long was it that we were into chrome slash chromium um first of all, is there, as far as you guys know is there is there any difference, other than the fact that one is officially supported by Google and one is open source.

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Patrick Toner: yeah that’s that’s pretty much it, you know the chromium chromium browser is the Open Source browser that’s underlying chrome Google takes that browser adds you know.

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Patrick Toner: a bunch of things to it, for example, their you know their their media codecs and all these different things that allows it to play for example YouTube or other types of videos they you know add their ability to manage the browser with the Google enterprise suite.

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Patrick Toner: And they repackage it has grown and it’s it’s very similar.

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Patrick Toner: You know, and it ends application, but you know chromium is really just kind of a it for most end users it’ll seem like a stripped down version of chrome but really it’s the underlying base of chrome.

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Andy Whiteside: And so, how long into the world of chrome was it before they started understanding the need for the enterprise management capabilities, I know there’s admin packs for active directory that have been around for a while.

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Andy Whiteside: The Google at some point decided hey This needs to become an enterprise business where the browser and can you use those ATMs to manage chromium or is it all done through some type of i&i file or json file.

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Patrick Toner: Well, you know, specifically with what we’re talking about today with agile, the beauty of it is.

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Patrick Toner: You can fully manage the chromium browser from the US console right, so you don’t you don’t really need that Google management layer or any other layer

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Patrick Toner: You just basically you can you can edit the i&i file and json files, if you want to be a US and different policies and profiles that you’re pushing down.

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Patrick Toner: But there’s there’s also some really cool built in options to put policies in place, you know and.

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Patrick Toner: And you know not not the blog the blog kind of gives the introduction, but the the the guide here that i’m not gonna say his name because i’m i’m probably Leon here Leon I won’t go with the last name.

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Patrick Toner: When he put together it kind of walks through like how to put those general policies and so that’s again the nice thing about you, is you don’t need any other management layer you can just use you a mess and manage the policy for that browser right.

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Andy Whiteside: Well that’s the key right just just you so don’t take it along okay so let’s let’s walk through this blog and understand how he’s approaching it Chris you want to take the first section here.

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Chris Feeney: yeah so um it’s just that high level the agile community as as a provided are given some awards for those that are contributing.

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Chris Feeney: You know regularly and also with content and other things, to the benefit of the Community, and they have this thing called VIP and so Leon as a VIP and there’s been some really cool projects that some of the VIP have done, and so.

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Chris Feeney: My general understanding is he kind of you know, obviously, a great interest in this, and you know he highlights the fact that.

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Chris Feeney: In August of it’s hard to believe it’s it was 2021.

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Chris Feeney: feels like it was before that, but 1104 100 I gel released an added chromium officially initially experimentally, and then that’s that’s since changed but.

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Chris Feeney: It was an opportunity to obviously Okay, what can we do with it beside we now we have a second browser in the in the product.

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Chris Feeney: And, obviously.

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Chris Feeney: If you look at the chromium project or whatever open sores there’s a lot of customization and so he took it upon themselves to kind of pull together some of these.

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Chris Feeney: ideas and then contribute back to the Community with this, how to guide, which as we’re will look at it here in a minute he maintains it.

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Chris Feeney: And, most recently, I think the last update was.

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Chris Feeney: In April, so not not too far behind.

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Chris Feeney: April of 2022 so kudos to Leon for doing that certainly appreciate that and and really anybody that has something that they would like to contribute to the Community that’s what we want to highlight here on this blog.

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Andy Whiteside: And he actually calls out three fourths of the global desktop browser market is chrome based chrome something.

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Chris Feeney: yeah I mean edge opera Vivaldi I didn’t know brave was based on chromium I use brave on my mobile phone occasionally just to try it out, but um yeah.

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Patrick Toner: I was just gonna say the same Chris I stand corrected I earlier said breed was not chromium based, and I use it personally to on all my devices, I prefer brave yeah I didn’t realize it was chromium based that’s that’s pretty cool.

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Chris Feeney: yeah but compatibility, I mean you can still obviously see and reminds me back in the day, you had net was at Netscape and originally.

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Chris Feeney: It became something, but I began to emerge, and it was those two browsers that we’re fighting for market share for a long time.

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Chris Feeney: And here we go and then chrome appeared, you know, and here we are years later, with that sort of becoming the standard.

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Chris Feeney: accepted so but that what we’ve got here so there’s a.

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Chris Feeney: mean little further down on the blog he kind of talks about you know just an IT administrator some of the things that.

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Chris Feeney: Chris earlier.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah you mentioned Netscape and i’ve listened to a podcast on the browser wars from the 90s.

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Chris Feeney: or oh yeah.

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Andy Whiteside: I mean the fact that we’ve you know here’s here’s what i’ll play the manipulation of trying to get everybody to have to use a certain browser because it was built built into the operating system was one play right.

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Andy Whiteside: But it is.

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Andy Whiteside: crowd sourced kinda and I will credit card source, but crowd demand has driven us towards a single browser so the world wanted us to go all over the place, with browsers.

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Andy Whiteside: But the ability to actually leverage applications, the applications really and customer user ui drove us back to almost a single browser not 100% but at least a base code for a single browser and that’s kind of how we got to this chromium thing.

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Chris Feeney: yeah and it was interesting little another thing is.

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Chris Feeney: I know we’ve talked about this before Andy but just self taught and he’s he’s giving it back and.

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Chris Feeney: You know those those things that you feel really good about or whatever, I mean you know, taking the opportunity to share that knowledge, I mean, I think that, certainly from your own.

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Chris Feeney: From my own personal brand you know that’s that’s really kind of I mean Doug Doug brown kind of highlights a lot of that really there’s power in in giving back to the Community.

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Chris Feeney: And this is just one example of that and i’m sure people have come to him since he’s put this out there, you know, and obviously.

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Chris Feeney: You know, one of my favorite sayings is always learning right always always continuous learning i’m never feel like I have arrived, you know, and this is a skill set that i’m not as up to speed on but i’m excited to kind of dig through this blog and what this guy has so.

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Andy Whiteside: Okay, so anything in this post up here this part of the conversation that we need to cover that we haven’t covered yet.

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Chris Feeney: Not I think we’re good getting to the meat of this.

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Andy Whiteside: Alright, so this is about was this 22 pages of contents and the main concept here is how to manage chromium browser, for I gel from within us right.

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Chris Feeney: Now yeah through through profiles and.

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Patrick Toner: And you know a lot of the things that this guide is doing if you know if you use this as a custom partition you still could have done a lot of the things that.

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Patrick Toner: Leon is pointing out here, but it would have been done via just you know, a command you’d have a super long command with all these different flags that you want to turn on and off from the.

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Patrick Toner: chrome or chromium browser but the cool thing is now there’s built in settings where you can just kind of add policies and as long as you know what they are, you can change the you know, change the switch on them.

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Andy Whiteside: Right and guys how much of this.

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Andy Whiteside: is just uplifted by the idea that there is an open source version of chrome chromium these days chromium chrome.

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Andy Whiteside: Like how long has that been around do you guys know.

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Chris Feeney: The chromium project.

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Chris Feeney: I don’t I want to say, I mean the first time I saw chrome.

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Chris Feeney: I want to say 20 years ago I could have that wrong, but I mean so chromium would have had to existed before that.

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Andy Whiteside: backdoor way of getting more chrome out there, I think chrome browser was probably just a Google thing for for a while i’d have to go look it up.

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Chris Feeney: yeah I just found it hopefully it’s chromium.org and then there’s chromium projects.

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Chris Feeney: it’s an open source project behind the Google chrome browser and Google chrome os respectively, so I it’s like which one was first you know.

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Patrick Toner: thousand eight was released so 13 years ago, was the first release of chromium.

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Chris Feeney: For those listening on the podcast or drive or will be listening they’re probably driving around going folks it was Google first.

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Andy Whiteside: Google started open source, but then they probably saw the power of open source in terms of iterative development, as well as the ability to get more Google oriented things on more devices.

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Chris Feeney: Regardless here we are.

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Chris Feeney: Talking about how to customize chromium so let’s get after it.

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Andy Whiteside: Well okay So where do we want to go in this conversation got 20 minutes left there any where do you guys want me to go, but I need.

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Patrick Toner: You guys wanna.

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Patrick Toner: yeah I would say, you know, because we can it might be a little I mean extremely boring if we just dive down its policies and all that but maybe just talk about some of the practical reason somebody might want to do this right.

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Patrick Toner: You know, I was talking to Chris earlier about this recently was working with a customer.

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Patrick Toner: They have a training software, so they had to their users, they had these training centers and they were using agile just deploy out to these training centers.

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Patrick Toner: And they originally were running windows in there but they wanted to kind of shrink that footprint.

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Patrick Toner: It was just purely based on hey my these users need to get on a device a browser comes up they’re presented with the testings with a website login and then they need to log in and do the training.

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Patrick Toner: and take tests and different things they do in there, so.

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Patrick Toner: You know so basically, I think I think anything you mentioned earlier, one of the things there was a requirement on this website, or you had to come from Internet explorer.

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Patrick Toner: On a windows obviously from a windows device because that’s the only place you could run Internet explorer natively So what we were able to do is.

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Patrick Toner: In the browser settings from the agile us and we checked the website to think we’re coming from Internet explorer and a certain version of it.

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Patrick Toner: And it worked beautifully the users, but they were able to log right in now, before we did that fix on the users would hit the website, they would get an error hey you’re not on a supportive browser as soon as we made that change again just be ideal profile very simple pushed it out.

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Patrick Toner: The website, let them login users were testing, they were taking their tests, whatever they do in there and it worked great and now that customer doesn’t have to patch windows devices, they don’t have to.

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Patrick Toner: You know all this overhead just for users to take tests, they can have a lightweight secure operating system and.

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Patrick Toner: leverage these types of really cool policies to kind of trick that website into thinking they’re coming from another browser.

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Patrick Toner: So that’s just one instance and throw it out there, Chris and you I don’t know if you guys have had you know you know different or similar type experiences, but that’s definitely a type of thing where this guide would be very useful.

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Chris Feeney: i’m putting in the chat I just found an article that basically kind of talks about that same issue right where you go to a website and it and it identifies or says it’s not a supporter browser and then this is sort of walking you through how to.

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Chris Feeney: How to solve that problem.

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Andy Whiteside: For your browser because it was looking for Internet explorer because it was looking for a full blown chrome.

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Patrick Toner: or Internet explorer so it actually it checks there’s different things in the in the in the browser when it hits the website.

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Patrick Toner: The website is okay show me your information, show me your papers right and the browser presents hey here’s what I here’s what I am i’m this browser on this version.

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Patrick Toner: So basically you’re just modifying that information so so the website says okay you’re good come on in and then you’re you’re up and running.

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Patrick Toner: We got me there I you know, I think, from us from a functionality.

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Patrick Toner: And there might be functionality reasons for that, however, you generally with these websites do Chris mentioned company used to work for earlier.

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Patrick Toner: And back when I spent time in healthcare, this may 100% be related to the company you work for but I used to manage your provider and that forced me to come in from Internet explorer.

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Patrick Toner: Now, in theory, I could do the same thing and hit my provide a appliance doing what I did with agile would everything work I don’t know that’s that’s that’s another story and that might come down to why these websites say hey you have to use Internet explorer versus chrome versus whatever.

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Patrick Toner: But you know that’s where the testing comes in.

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Andy Whiteside: Because, is there any type of use case where you still would want to create your own custom partition of chromium or would you want to just go with what’s in the operating system.

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Chris Feeney: I mean, I would say don’t use chromium we had there’s chrome but I mean.

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Chris Feeney: I would just say use this or other material to take what what’s there, and if, for some reason there’s you know something that you can’t then, then you know so.

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Andy Whiteside: Let me clarify the question, so you can either use chromium which is baked in or you could create a custom partition using a Linux version of chrome what Chris is Fini saying don’t use the custom partition unless you have a really, really good reason to.

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Chris Feeney: write, I mean this This guide kind of talks about what’s what’s possible as far as customization whereas I think we alluded to it earlier with with when installing chrome.

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Chris Feeney: Any any customization piece, you would be part of this long string of commands or something like that I might stand in it correct on that, but.

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Chris Feeney: But then there’s also questions of do you want google’s things.

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Chris Feeney: So my great question for me I dealt with like which browser kind of option when in my first couple years.

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Chris Feeney: Learning the difference between how a smart card might act if you’re using firefox versus chrome, for example, which browser was supported for logging into a website with a smart card, and then the federal space.

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Chris Feeney: And so there was times when I when I spent just trying to get you know is firefox the right away or the right browser to get in with, or should we try another method or their modifications on the firefox browser to make it work better, so I remember dealing with that on occasion.

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Patrick Toner: I think about a little more practical to Chris I mean bill is that’s a very practical.

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Patrick Toner: Your points just things working correctly or what i’ve seen is requirements coming down from info SEC, and a company so.

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Patrick Toner: For example, I had you know back in the day when there was only firefox I was working with a financial customer.

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Patrick Toner: So we tried to go back and forth with them a little bit hey guys, this is really secure is all the options, you can do, and it was like full stop.

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Patrick Toner: No, you cannot put firefox in this environment, for whatever reason, that was their policy.

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Patrick Toner: So back then we had we leverage the custom partition and put chrome in there and they were happy as could be you know, so I think a lot of times it comes down to a what you what you’re talking about Chris the requirements of technology you’re connecting to.

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Patrick Toner: and also a lot of times this is driven by info SEC, this is driven by you know the guys that we work with you know the guys, who are managing Nigel they don’t always have a.

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Patrick Toner: Choice right there they’re told, these are the browsers you can use and that’s why it’s nice to have that flexibility now if it’s me and i’m the customer.

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Patrick Toner: My order of preference is going to be number one, I want to go firefox because it’s been in the agile s for a long time it’s very mature with its integrations.

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Patrick Toner: chromium will be my next choice, just because it’s you know also integrated and a lot of those options are built in a B so comes down to manage ability.

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Patrick Toner: And then, my third option would be okay if i’m forced to use it edge for Linux or i’m forced to use chrome or whatever.

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Patrick Toner: Then i’ll go that route because my company is telling me to, or because my back end solutions requiring it and it doesn’t work with the other ones, but that would be kind of my order of importance personally if i’m the admin.

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Chris Feeney: At home, my my daughter has been doing an internship and she has basically one of the tasks to take.

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Chris Feeney: pictures and videos and that she receives and then upload them to dropbox and she’s been doing that, through a browser now her.

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Chris Feeney: uh but I didn’t know until like last week that she was really having a hard time these files would all of a sudden just not finished uploading and.

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Chris Feeney: So without really doing much trouble she said well let’s try another browser and she had edge on there and I had her go and.

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Chris Feeney: We thought Maybe it was the wi fi connection or the so I had her plug into my ethernet and and after using edge.

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Chris Feeney: You know, for her a bunch of frustration with one browser turned into now i’m getting things done faster with another browser so.

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Chris Feeney: You know, there may be situations like that, where it dictates for different reasons, you know which browser you have to use or which one is supported better.

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Chris Feeney: You know, based on some of these cloud Apps right, you know, maybe they code it to certain browsers or interactions, but that was just one scenario that recently came up.

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Patrick Toner: Let me ask you guys a question on this and you know i’m curious both your thoughts, but it seems I mean Andy you’ve been in citrix you know world obviously a long, long time since the kind of the beginning.

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Patrick Toner: What do you think as far as you know, I kind of see things, maybe moving more towards the browser being the main application that people are going to use.

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Patrick Toner: How do you see that going like do you see, like, for example, I gel maybe relying more on the browser in the future versus the you know the citrix workspace at how do you kind of see that going.

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Andy Whiteside: Well, it really comes down to a conversation of what is the main application that the customer user is going to be an all day.

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Andy Whiteside: I spoke to a former citrix sales manager executive a couple of weeks ago and he was throwing citrix and vmware under the bus because he said how work from a chromebook all day.

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Andy Whiteside: And I didn’t say it to me, I was like but you don’t do real work you don’t do you don’t produce anything like your idea of work as an email like that’s work or going into a salesforce CRM or something.

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Andy Whiteside: For people who do real production work where you have to actually go out and produce documents and files and things that that x86 workload.

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Andy Whiteside: And maybe most specifically the windows most widely use Microsoft application in the world, in my opinion, or is without a doubt windows.

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Andy Whiteside: And, followed by browsers and outlook and all that good stuff and Alex another great example right, I mean I probably use.

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Andy Whiteside: The online version of outlook more than anybody, I know, but I still run into scenarios, where I gotta open up windows are open up outlook fat client somewhere in my virtual world and use it.

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Andy Whiteside: Patrick has no doubt it’s going to become more and more important to have a browser that can get to all the different clouds software as a service out there.

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Andy Whiteside: But we’re still probably a decade or two away from everything just happens in a browser.

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Andy Whiteside: Just a lot of legacy applications out there and there’s a lot of evolution that even the best companies in the world, Microsoft, for example, can’t make it on par as they could an x86 out.

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Patrick Toner: You know sites that have to access and they kind of brought it all together with okta and I thought that was a really great use case of just.

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Patrick Toner: hey you know it’s all in one place it’s all here, and you know they did all the you know the the identity management singles you know dual factor, everything was kind of integrated, but you know citrix also would you know and vmware have solutions that do similar things and.

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Patrick Toner: yeah I just I just get you know that that’s great feedback I think it’s it’s just changing so quickly in that respect so many.

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Andy Whiteside: More things going to win.

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Patrick Toner: And i’m the same as you and I use outlook in the browser full time pretty much unless I absolutely have to go into the actual windows application I think it’s just a better experience.

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Chris Feeney: I think that’s the case because i’ve tried different browsers with office calm and I can tell there’s a different user experience, even the layout depending on which browser i’m using using excuse me.

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Chris Feeney: But it’s so is a lot of functional things that even more and more.

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Chris Feeney: or even mobile versions and a mobile os world that that need for a windows desktop to run an APP is becoming less and less so, I do agree that that’s the trend we’re seeing.

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Chris Feeney: long history in the enterprise world and will probably continue to see applications developed for windows up until the time of browser is completely sufficient.

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Andy Whiteside: This document and what he’s showing here I think it’s just important for people to find the blog the original one we mentioned, and then from there, you can link to here and get to.

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Chris Feeney: yeah I think what I what stood out to me was um you know and building some of the customization pieces he does a really nice job of here’s what the table is, but then here’s a screenshot.

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Chris Feeney: And some of those settings that there’s some policy settings in the custom application that he kind of calls out which I would say is definitely more on the very advanced side if you’ve not had a chance to really dig into some of those.

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Chris Feeney: And in fact I actually sent this guide over to one of our developers, to see if there’s anything that on a project that we’re working on that maybe we could leverage with chromium.

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Chris Feeney: To maybe get some customization pieces, maybe advanced this project a little little for having no idea, but will will certainly take a look at it, but I think.

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Chris Feeney: You know it’s a 20 page guide so it’s pretty pretty pretty meaty we’ll just go with that and and it’s detailed as far as what versions of stuff that type of thing so.

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Chris Feeney: You know, definitely encourage folks to go to there and try it out and certainly give Leon as many kudos as you possibly can, for putting this together and maintaining it.

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Andy Whiteside: Yes, it’s very detailed and.

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Andy Whiteside: Lots of screenshots which, as you know, if you put documentation together before it’s that’s it’s hard to get all that in there and.

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Chris Feeney: there’s a guy named Carl who works for another Var who lives off of this stuff right, this is kind of what he does so screenshots and texts are always helpful, would you not agree, I wouldn’t want to be that, as my main job but.

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Patrick Toner: Anyway, it was appreciated, on the other side, you know I like a lot of visual screenshots things like that so i’m not confused yeah so you know, but I don’t like doing it, but I do like reading it yeah.

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Andy Whiteside: that’s good to have people out there, doing that.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah not sure how they have time to do that, but.

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Chris Feeney: that’s yeah that’s the other piece, but if it’s a if it’s their passion, by all means feed feed the beast yeah.

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Andy Whiteside: Alright guys well i’ve got a wrap i’ve got a I don’t sit in the closet all day actually have to go have meetings all day every day.

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Andy Whiteside: that’s where I gotta go next for sure you guys doing.

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Chris Feeney: I.

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Chris Feeney: Think sandy are you don’t take care guys.

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Andy Whiteside: Thanks.