13: AVD Monthly: November and December 2021 and January 2022 Updates

Mar 1, 2022

These sessions discuss the following topics, blogs, and support articles: What’s new in Azure Virtual Desktop?

Azure Virtual Desktop updates on a regular basis. This article is where you’ll find out about:

  • The latest updates
  • New features
  • Improvements to existing features
  • Bug fixes

This article is updated monthly. Make sure to check back here often to keep up with new updates.

Host: Andy Whiteside
Co-Host: Vadim Vladimirskiy

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Andy Whiteside: Hello everyone and welcome to episode 14 of a bd monthly i’m your host Andy whiteside i’ve got a kind of special guests with me I just got back.

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Andy Whiteside: Last week from a Conference in Cancun would never do we’ve got the founder of nor do with us the diem video, I want to make sure you’re laughing right credit.

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Andy Whiteside: pronounce your last name for me.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: it’s bloody mirror ski.

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Andy Whiteside: A little bit a little Mirsky I have it on the zoom and I had it where I could put my mouse on it and read it, and when I hit share the screen or start the recording it hit it.

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Andy Whiteside: Like didn’t get a.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: good idea, I know, plus it’s a tough one to pronounce so listen I don’t blame you.

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Andy Whiteside: Oh sorry about that so i’m demons with us video again founded and video is, which is from day one based on.

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Andy Whiteside: Add which became web, which is now add again the team, just a quick overview of of how that happened.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: So on nerd do has always been in the automation of virtual desktop business, we started an RDS and then, when web came out, we have a product that was helping customers deploy and manage and auto scale Web.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And as the world shut down to the beginning of 2020 and everyone went to work from home we’ve really had the opportunity to work with.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Lots of customers all over the world to really rubber products very quickly and and build a lot of cool functionality to help.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Customers that we’re doing large add deployments and small leaving the deployment, so we can evolve, the long side.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: As a virtual desktop we are a native azure virtual desktop extension we’re now than a tentative control plane to add we sit on top of AV and extended with all sorts of enterprise functionality that i’m sure we’ll talk about during our session here.

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Andy Whiteside: Alright, so i’m going to i’m going to catch you off guard here you’re like that Barbara mandrell stone.

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Andy Whiteside: Like address on there there’s a there’s a country song from when I was a kid it was I was country before country wasn’t cool.

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Andy Whiteside: That you guys were Microsoft promoting before Microsoft promoting was cool right went back in with RDS and very few people could could make it work you guys were making a work and then all of a sudden Microsoft put its weight behind add and well, you were just standing there waiting.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: that’s right yeah I guess that’s that’s a nice analogy yeah we were doing RDS when it was really tough to do RDS and you can have to hide.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: It you were doing this, the virtualization for all the software vendors, who, as soon as they saw virtualization would say Oh, we don’t support this kind of thing but.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: But like you said, now that microsoft’s putting their way behind it it’s a lot easier and it’s a lot faster and it’s a lot more fun than it was in the in the olden days.

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Andy Whiteside: And we’ve talked a lot on this podcast about whether microsoft’s in it to win it here and I I don’t know that they can win it but with people like, nor do they can win a lot more of it than they used to, when.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: We certainly hope so.

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Andy Whiteside: Well, so you’ve agreed to jump on here what we’re gonna do is go through the November, December in January updates, you know they’re not not a ton of them, and you can throw in.

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Andy Whiteside: There do updates that came in that same time period that may be compliment these things or.

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Andy Whiteside: You know, extend capabilities don what add does there’s one here at the top of my screen I can’t wait to ask you about it because I saw you last week and asked you about.

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Andy Whiteside: That one we’ll get to in a second but let’s start with this basic one tagging tagging tagging lots of lots of opportunities to improve efficiency and workflows through tagging looks like add has extended that capability.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: yeah so it’s basically you know, like you said tagging, for you know things like cost attribution and.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: You know chargeback purposes asher does a decent job reporting on tagging if you do a good job, actually tagging things so you know I think this announcement is more about the documentation and best practices around tagging.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: it’s actually a feature that we’ve been hearing from customers for well over a year and we’ve had it in our product.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: built in as an automation you know, probably for a year or so maybe nine months.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And nerdy a manager, because one of the things that it does is it dynamically creates and beliefs, resources and starts them and stops them and things like that.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: tagging becomes really important, because a lot of things are ephemeral right they don’t exist in definitely in a persistent basis, so, so we have this thing called.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Help host full custom tags were administrators can define tags and the whole school level interview manager and then any resources that get created within that whole school so things like.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: vm and disks and network cards and ap groups and everything associated with that particular hospital will get automatically tag.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: and on tagged as it gets created and delete it so we definitely are familiar with this functionality and add a bunch of automation to make it super easy for our customers.

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Andy Whiteside: You know I really want to talk through that detail and we got a lot to cover my my I got home from your Conference, and my wife was in her closet got all our clothes out and.

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Andy Whiteside: put them in baskets been the core she had to tag it off for the consignment sale well those clothes are still sitting in baskets.

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Andy Whiteside: Because nobody nobody’s great so what you’re saying as nerdy has the ability to kind of automate that tagging putting tags on taking a tags off do you have that for women’s consignment clothes.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: not yet not yet, but you know if Microsoft extends azure into that maybe we’ll we’ll build that out as well.

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Andy Whiteside: So the next section talks about as your virtual desktop starter kit for power automate any comments on that.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: yeah so also something that we do natively other the boxes provide rest api’s that can let customers third party products connect into their do manager and sort of do everything inside of it through API.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And power automate is actually a fairly common platform that’s used to connect and there’ll be a manager API.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: for things like self service portals requesting me desktops we have a very large customer deployment probably.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: 30 to 40,000 desktops that are using power automate extensively they’ve integrated they basically created their own dashboard users can go in and reset their own sessions do all kinds of self service activities.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: All through power automate and using their new manager api’s, so I think you know this particular announcement is a subset of that functionality that’s available natively there’s a starter kit that lets you plug in power automate into different aspects of DVD.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah he and stuff like that, with a 30 and 40,000 desktops they have like a power automate team that kind of knows the general concepts and then they apply that to the desktop administration team or How does that work.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: yeah you know it’s actually surprisingly small team, I think the the core kind of add architecture team is just a handful of people.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And and they’ve created all of this automation on and they do really cool things they do things like.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: You know, someone turns off all the scaling and the host bull than that host book and it goes into grace period for 24 hours and then someone else gets a notification.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Through power automate saying hey all the scale is off on this particular host for you should make sure that it’s turned back on or.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: If an image gets stale beyond the certain age someone else gets notified that hey you got to go in and update your images so i’ve been really impressed with what this particular team was able to accomplish and again a tiny team that has been able to do all of this right.

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Andy Whiteside: Well, so again I don’t if I said it did a good job of this, but we got January December November to go through this talks about auto scale public preview My guess is we may be hitting this again in a few minutes, but I mean auto scales a big part of what you guys do right for add.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: it’s huge yeah I think you know that this feature, we can we can talk about the entire time, plus a couple more episodes of this webinar so.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: I guess, let me try to synthesize it into something very, very short, so you know auto scale has always been a very you know important than and highly requested feature for a DVD Microsoft is always provided a set of scripts that can be deployed with azure automation and and different.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: i’m blanking on the name power Apps, I believe, or you know, whatever that asher component that lets you run automation.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: and is able to power vm on and off based on how many users per cpu are logged in at any given time.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And what this preview is it’s basically putting a nice ui and getting it all integrated into the native.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: azure portal allowing you to create scaling plans and schedules and telling we’re not telling boastful went to ramp up in the morning.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: How to ramp down in the evening and basically said, the different threshold so, so it is, it is kind of Nice and it’s available natively now.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: In Nordea manager, one of the probably most important and first features, we built was all about auto scaling so we do everything that.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: You know that the built in, or the native other scaling does plus you know, like 1,000% more in terms of.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: You know, we can do scaling for storage, we can do scaling based on utilization of the cpu we can do scaling based on Ram.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: You know, larger sessions, we can do scaling of personal host schools scaling across different sovereign azure cloud, so all kinds of really robust auto scaling that just extends what the native auto scaling is now capable of yeah.

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Andy Whiteside: Well, this even says public preview so I guess i’ve scrolled up just to see December January it wasn’t it wasn’t full you know gone live yet.

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Andy Whiteside: But I guess if you’re running nerd do manager you’re you can do all this and more already and have been for a while.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: that’s right that’s right yeah I don’t think it’s GA yet, but i’m sure it will be shortly.

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Andy Whiteside: So next topic, I asked you about the day when I saw you i’m excited about this as your stack hdi the ability to run on premises workloads.

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Andy Whiteside: In your data Center your partners data Center anything other than public cloud hyper scale or azure What does this mean for the space.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: I think it’s pretty huge I think it’s it’s ultimately holds the promise to allow customers to extend their azure add deployments.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: into their on premises environments, and the reason they may want to do, that is, you know really a few reasons number one.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: They could have compliance and security requirements that means their data and applications may have to run locally right so that’s one reason Another reason is.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: latency So if you have data residing in an on premises data Center and if you end up putting your desktops out an azure there’s some latency that savviest introduced.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: This helps with that it allows you to run the desktops next to the data and the servers that are hosting it.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: So those are would say the main drivers, the key thing to understand here is, this is not a replacement for add.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Because the add what they call front doors or services, so the ability to actually connect into the service is still thrasher so you’re still going through azure to authenticate.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And then you’re being redirected to a local vm that may be running on premises.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Right so conceptually that’s kind of what it’s for, and I think they’re going to be lots of use cases to have it a public cloud deployment of virtual desktop side by side with an on premises data Center based deployment the virtual desktop.

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Andy Whiteside: We don’t we do a ton of that today, where you are protecting a little bit of this a little bit of that redundancy and.

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Andy Whiteside: Data locality locale location type stuff I do have a couple questions we’re getting this so so this isn’t really alternative for azure virtual desktop.

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Andy Whiteside: This is kind of the alternative for windows enterprise desktop and azure that allows you to still use add to broker and manage it just can be on premises, you and I haven’t said that in public here, but you know windows enterprise desktop and azure is really.

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Andy Whiteside: can be lots of things citrix in front end up being work in front of it nerdy Oh, can I can tie you into it via as your virtual desktop yours is different right you’re yours is truly using azure virtual desktop the other guys are real just brokering YouTube enterprise desktops and azure.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: yeah yeah that’s right, so I mean at the core of I guess all flavors of a DVD is.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: The windows 10 enterprise windows 11 enterprise operating system, whether single session or multi session.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And then the question is well what what’s that control plane that sits on top of it is it made of a vd which is Microsoft, provided it is in citrix cloud isn’t horizon cloud Those are all alternatives.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Nordea doesn’t do anything in the control plane space we plug in.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: and use the native add control plane and we just add that management and all the scaling functionality into the native stack.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And as you pointed out, it really doesn’t matter where the actual vm that’s running windows 10 windows 11 runs it ties back into whichever control plane you’re using up until.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Address thick HC I support the only place, you can run the windows 10 multi session, which is what makes add really interesting because it gives you, you know kind of a better.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Cost profile and the per user basis was, as you had to be running it on azure gear in microsoft’s data centers and that’s the only place that legally from a licensing perspective.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: You could use that operating system without her stage ci went out Okay, we don’t really care where that.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: vm runs as long as it’s either an azure right and Microsoft or own gear or customer owned gear, but it’s running through the azure stack each Seattle, which is kind of the hypervisor level that is tied into the the azure cloud for management purposes.

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Andy Whiteside: So 14.

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Andy Whiteside: i’ve never had anybody like that that was gonna be the next question, what about multi session, what about multi session, nobody can ever answer that one for you proactively brought it up.

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Andy Whiteside: So, as your stack H ci is going to allow me to have multi session running somewhere other than Microsoft data Center.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: You got it.

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Andy Whiteside: that’s awesome that’s that’s big that’s huge.

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Andy Whiteside: All right, well that’s a that kind of wraps up November, and we have two more months ago my wife texted me i’m late picking up my son.

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Andy Whiteside: it’s it’s Monday at 530 till podcasts as your virtual desktop price calculator I know you and i’ve talked about two times, or a couple times around what what nerdy oh really does, and if all you ever do is help customers.

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Andy Whiteside: improve efficiency and save money, it looks like Microsoft gets this right they continue to add calculators does that help nerdy to show your value even more.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: I don’t think it has maybe a direct impact on us, you know this is more helping customers budget for a add deployment.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And in in the past, you know there were certain limitations and they as a calculator side of things, like you, could you know you have to have at least 100 users in order to really run an estimate.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And it looks like now, they reduce that we have calculator tools as well that lets you budget it but what’s really also important is not only to budget before you deploy.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: But actually measure and compare to what your budget is to what the actual cost is.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: So in there will be a manager as soon as you create the hospital and you set up all your different scaling parameters, it will tell you hey your cost of azure compute and storage is going to be.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Between X and y is going to give you the minimum the maximum as the range and then after about a week or so of operation, it will measure.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: on a per host basis roll it up the workspace and even roll it up to your entire environment and tell you hey here’s how much you’re spending in aggregate.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: here’s how much you’re saving through all the scaling and here are your per user cost here’s what a month monthly active users costs to.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: here’s what the concurrent user costs you here’s what the named user costs you so you can you know run an estimate, and then you know, three months later, look back and see like hey my.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Within the range that I expected and my out of that range and adjust accordingly, so all of that is part of our product.

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Andy Whiteside: And there’s really two areas right there’s multi session, which is almost a no brainer at least get two sessions per vm.

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Andy Whiteside: And then there’s the ability to optimize and manage the the the machines themselves make sure they’re off when they’re supposed to be off the provision parts of them when they shouldn’t be in use.

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Andy Whiteside: there’s two ways really to try to make as your make sense versus just buying some gear and cat backs and sticking it somewhere.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: yeah that’s right.

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Andy Whiteside: All right, um I think i’ve probably said, a time as at your Conference last week, again, thank you, I think i’m gonna go to Orlando next week next week, the enterprise meeting.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: yep that’s right.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Next next Tuesday thank.

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Andy Whiteside: You again you’re making my wife not too happy with me, but I got stuff to do.

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Andy Whiteside: But I weren’t fs logics shirt one time last week, just the I work on purpose just see what kind of conversations I was started a lot of people, they want to talk about fs logics in your world.

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Andy Whiteside: This azure active directory join DNS with fs logics profile for as your files on on as your files help us understand what that means for the world and add.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: yeah so let me kind of break this down into a few different components so well before I do that let’s let’s talk about the High Level what’s the goal, the goal is.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: To eventually get to a cloud only virtual desktop deployment, where you don’t need any active directory you don’t need any azure infrastructure in terms of vm other than the session host themselves today.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Add requires active directory recently, I think it was in the summer, maybe in the fall Microsoft announced azure ad joint support for session host vm.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Where instead of joining the session hosts to an active directory, they can be natively azure ad joined.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: The issue with that is if you’re using fs logics you have to mount those profiles off of an SMB share.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And SMB shares kind of require active directory still so even though you could join the session hosts to azure ad only you still need it.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Active directory for the SMB share and now they’ve announced, or they released the preview of azure files being azure ad natively joined.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Which is enabled through curb rose authentication that they’ve recently added to azure ad.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: which will just kind of getting us closer and closer to that no ad scenario where it’s cloud only.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Virtual desktop deployment, there is still one limitation, though, unfortunately, the limitation is that your identities, the user names that are logging in and connecting to these profiles must be hybrid.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: You don’t need a domain controller in azure anymore, but you still need to make sure that your user accounts originate in an active directory and our ad synced over to azure ad.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: So you were kind of almost there but not quite that’s The next step, the next step is to make cloud only accounts.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Now i’ll do a little bit of a nerdy a plug here so as soon as Microsoft released the session host.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Joining into azure ad we’ve actually enabled fs logics without the need for it to support azure ad joined and the way we did that is using technology that’s not often used in fs logics for some reason because it’s fairly complicated to configure but near do automates that for you.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And that is a cloud cash with azure blocks right so as your blobs are not curb Ross authenticated the storage keys and stuff like that.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: cloud cash allows you to split a synchronously replicated that profile from a local session host up to that blog So if you want to use fs logics with azure ad only joined session hosts if you using their view you could have done that for six months now.

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Andy Whiteside: Now well that’s just a great example you guys have your eye on what needs to get done and when and continue to around Microsoft out again they’re they’re in it to win it more than ever, but they’re not going to do without some friends.

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Andy Whiteside: azure portal updates probably exactly what it says right.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: yeah just some nice, you know ui changes, and you know added things like I trusted launch, which you know we’ve also updated the interview ui to include all of this new feature so yeah so all those are now in the portal to.

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Andy Whiteside: Well, that gets us through December, you probably thought this was going to be much more painful than that’s right.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: No, no, I love talking about this stuff so you can tell.

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Andy Whiteside: Well that’s great because that’s what these podcasts we do, are all about I mean it’s.

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Andy Whiteside: You know people on my team are like Oh, how do you know this sounds like well we just do a podcast we learn all the same time it’s great um updates Okay, so this now we’re in January updates this first one is categorized as updates to required URLs I have no idea what this means.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And yeah so i’ll explain that so that after that add agent, which is a piece of code that runs on the session host vs.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: To the add management service and creates kind of a reverse connection from the user back into the session house in order for that agent to communicate with the management service there’s a whole long list of URLs.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: That must be available, it must be able to.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: that need to be fulfilled, for this reverse connect feature to work if they’re the boards are not open users may not be able to connect or may not be able to connect completely.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: So what this is announcing is that Microsoft I believe i’ve consolidated a whole long list of URLs and ports down to one.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: So they now have kind of a single point of entry, which obviously is backed by a whole huge infrastructure and the Microsoft side, but you now only need to worry about the single URL to allow through your firewall or whatever other you know access control.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Methods you’re using to protect your infrastructure and azure so that’s what this is all about and it’s pretty Nice because it’s going to be just easier to manage networking and firewalls and going forward with a DVD needing only one URL.

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Andy Whiteside: So is this about the virtual desktop talking out to the as a virtual desktop control plane is that is that the direction we’re talking.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: that’s it that’s exactly right.

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Andy Whiteside: And before there was a whole bunch of them now there’s just one and then that same URL important gets used over and over again.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: that’s right yeah I mean I think if you click on that blog you may see the list of the ones that were needed to be there that’s probably.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Why kind of one or so and and what it what it gets consolidated down into so definitely.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: So you see those highlighted ones were the ones that needed to be there, and now the new URL just happens to be the one below if you scroll all the way to the bottom of this post don’t have yet that’s that’s, the only thing that you need.

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Andy Whiteside: All right, yeah, the more you can simplify that the better, because now you’re working with network guys that don’t want anything coming and going and you pick a fight.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: This is pretty big it’s pretty big if you are very big I mean your your deployment is we’ve had several customers run into this limitation, so the existing limitation.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And this is a block this is applicable to add to add arm right the new version of AV that’s out there.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: This wasn’t the case or I don’t remember what what the limit wasn’t in add classic but that’s not really relevant anymore, so the issue was that edit tenant level the azure ad tenant.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: You could only have 200 application groups what that effectively meant is you could not have more than 200 hosts bowls.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And, in most cases even fewer hospitals, because each host school may have more than one APP group, like if you have a remote APP.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Huge deployments are many different departments or use cases you very quickly run out of this 200 limits, so I we’ve had customers that had to go to the product group and had.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Increased who have increased their tenant level limit from 200 to 400 or etc, and now it looks like they just lifted that limits from to the five.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: which you know effectively increases by in orders at 150%.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: The size of the number, the number of hospitals in attendance rate and the tenant is that something you can scale across right it’s your azure ad tenant you can have more than one So this was a pretty hard limit for very large deployments.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah quick quick opportunity, maybe for you to talk about, nor do I get maybe this isn’t something you guys can fix but did you guys help that customer go to Microsoft, to make a case for this or.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: How did that work we did we did actually we were the ones who kind of got the product group involved, you know we.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: You may know this, but we work very closely with that team, we have you know very regular meetings and cadence and updates and kind of roadmap sharing with them.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: So we have pretty good idea of what’s going on and what’s coming up so have good relationships there so anytime we see an issue.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: In our customer base, we generally can I can percolated up to them directly faster than support can.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Because just we have a massive footprint and we get to hear about issues or limitations fairly quickly so so yeah we did help our customers get get that limit increase them one by one basis.

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Andy Whiteside: Alright migration tool now generally available migrating from classic to arm, are we, what are we talking about here.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: yeah so it’s an interesting one, so you’ll remember when a double w vv launched in October of 2019.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: They used to call it fall release and later that became known as web classic it was a completely different architecture it wasn’t integrated into the azure portal it wasn’t using the arm model that it is using now.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And then I think in June, or may or something of 2020 Microsoft released what they call the spring update the spring 2020 updates, which is now known justice as add.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And the challenge was that lots of customers, especially because it was coven deployed wv the classic.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And sort of had this legacy deployment and the new deployment and all of Microsoft investments are going into the new deployment like auto scaling, for instance that’s only available for a vd arm.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: azure ad joins only available for the new version so like the classic one as the name implies is just sort of their for maintenance, but it’s not.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: not really being enhanced very rapidly, we supported classic and our products from day one, when add.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: arm came out, we supported both of them, side by side and we created a very seamless migration process where you can literally take your host fools and the one by one basis and have nerdy or just migrate.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Everything gluten user assignments and DNS and agents and all of that thing automatically and it looks like it’s what now January 2022 so now Microsoft has a native power Shell command that can do some of that which nerdy manager, I think, had for probably a year and a half now.

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Andy Whiteside: That begs the question I mean you guys are just running out front of Microsoft and do some you do something they eventually do it i’ll miss look thing is like the guy in math classes copying your paper.

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Andy Whiteside: um you know I guess you could argue that hey you give initially Microsoft does enough where nor do is not needed but I mean if you were to give people just a vision of how long that could be like, is it in infinity or is it like.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: I guess I guess it’s a good question, let me, let me turn it back to you and say, do you envision the world where customers will all of the sudden say you know what what we have is great, and we don’t need anything else, like it’s just perfect the way it is.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And it can be improved upon obviously that’s a rhetorical.

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Andy Whiteside: i’ve had that question i’ve talked about digital transformation multiple times a day, maybe five times with people in my thing that I tell people.

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Andy Whiteside: I was telling my own in my own, you know financial advisor a while ago we’re putting money in tech stocks in this, this is never going to be and it’s not going to end in our lifetime I don’t know what world it doesn’t but it’s, not only in our lifetime.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Agreed agreed so I mean, I think that the truth of the matter is customers will always want things to improve and and we built our model and we’ve tuned their entire organization.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: To to spend a tremendous amount of time with customers understanding what their pain points are and figuring out where the inefficiencies are and what can be better.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And you know it’s it’s not that Microsoft realized hey Nordea has a migration tool we need the migration building that that’s not the case at all, they were getting the same feedback from the same customers.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Neither the migration tool it sort of it’s an obvious example of what’s needed is just you know we we were able to deliver maybe that quicker, because that was a.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: higher priority for our set of customers and I think that’s gonna that’s going to continue in perpetuity we’re going to be working with customers and partners.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And they’re going to tell us hey it would be nice if we could do you know X y&z and we have a huge roadmap of things like that.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: That we’re just building against and they’re all customer driven so I don’t think there’s ever a time when there is nothing for us to add that customers can find value in.

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Andy Whiteside: You think about going back 10 years or so, and think about how slowly move, then you go back go ahead 10 years from now they’re gonna think about how slow we move now.

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Andy Whiteside: You know it’s it’s hard to believe, but it has to happen moore’s law will kick in and it’ll be faster and better, no matter what we can’t stop it.

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Andy Whiteside: Oh, had a really good question is going to ask you, as it relates to your business so come back to me a second alright so we’re all big fans of fs logics around here.

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Andy Whiteside: what’s the latest thing fs logics is doing solves problems that enable people to go to the desktop in the cloud.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: You know i’ll be honest with you, I have not looked at the release notes of the public preview I generally start paying attention really when it becomes GA.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: But usually it’s you know security updates or bug fixes that are most interesting you know looks like it’s a long list of changes here, as we can see up on the screen, but like lots of bug fixes apparently are in here as well.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: guess logics is such a critical component of any any multi session deployment, that is just important like you know, like we just spoke about there’s always room to improve make it faster make it more efficient.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Make it smaller you know we we have technologies built into nerdy manager that can manage the storage aspects of the profiles rates fs logics is the containerization.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: solution, then you using either as your files or as your nether files to store those containers those containers tend to grow, they don’t shrink, we have all sorts of things that can make that very efficient.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: and cost effective where it will automatically resize the file shares and the volumes and make sure the profiles are optimally optimally sized so we play a lot with that that’s logics optimization space yeah.

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Andy Whiteside: Wait this is good, where we got a ton of time left let’s go through all these updates to the agent now i’m just kidding.

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Andy Whiteside: People have looked at the the monthly release for that so.

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Andy Whiteside: What would you want people to know, in addition to what we talked about so far about what nerdy oh does in this space i’ll throw this out there.

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Andy Whiteside: You know the the opportunity for people to use Nordea manager in the enterprise, so that they don’t need managed service providers likes INTEGRA.

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Andy Whiteside: They might want to work with INTEGRA from a consulting perspective but that’s been the thing that’s been most enlightening for me is seeing what you guys are doing to enable customers who.

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Andy Whiteside: couldn’t do as your virtual desktop by themselves, but with a little help from someone like you and someone like us all the sudden it becomes a real player for them.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Definitely, I mean you know what let me Let me describe it this way, so, so we have a couple of kind of ideal customers.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: On the one hand it’s a customer that just has a tremendously large and complex and and expansive deployment of add, and in order to manage that, with native tools.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: All of that knowledge and expertise in software in a very easy to use kind of automated simplified way of managing very large and complex environments as matter of fact.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Our best customers are the ones who tried to do a vd native they spend 20 minutes looking at a DEMO video and they’re like okay when when can I have this like can I put this in now because they know exactly what the pain points are.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And they’re looking to get started with add in a much you know more frictionless way, so we help those customers as well, we have you know lots of wizards and very easy to use ui to get up and running.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And, and obviously everything in between, so we help customers that are just starting and super advanced vdi deployments that are very large at scale and, if you think where we get sorry go ahead, no.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: I was just gonna say where we fit into the add stacks if you take a vd as a platform as a service, if you will, and break into two it’s four components, you have the client application right, the thing that runs.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And every manager plugged into the admin experience of those four components, we don’t do anything with user connection user brokering authentication client Apps.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: All of that is done by Microsoft, which means that as Microsoft is investing into the technology which they’re doing very rapidly all of our customers don’t have to wait on us to take advantage of that technology.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Using us we’re just there to make their job easier and better with the native tool of add.

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Andy Whiteside: So people should just use you guys do it that makes sense anymore, which you know we’ll figure out what that is can be a very, very long time.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: we’re really added value is once you kind of understand where we fit in is we help with cost optimization I would say that’s the number one reason people come to us everyone and do the lander stands.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: That cloud is consumption based it needs to be efficiently operated it can be someone manually clicking things it’s got to be automation.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And we have super powerful, but these would use automation, so I would say that’s kind of.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Our value pillar number one is making sure that azure is as efficient as it possibly can be, and we’re increasing that efficiency, again and again, and every release.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: The second thing is all about just ongoing management and orchestration and automation things like image management disaster recovery.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Self healing capabilities, all kinds of automation that normally engineers will have to do manually are now built into the product and they’re completely hands off.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And then the third value pillar we talked about is simplification, we just want to make it as easy as an as simple as possible both to deploy and environment to manage add.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And to manage every single piece of azure technology that add realize that, so you know we already talked about storage like.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: As your files and as another files, but we do everything from you know MSA X application delivery we do scripted actions and run books, we do things like fs logics APP masking and application management.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: All the things that add requires.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Which is why you’re using add are also part of the product, so those kind of our three pillars cost optimization orchestration and automation to increase reliability and then, finally, simplification of the whole life cycle of virtual desktop management.

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Andy Whiteside: So I have two questions for you i’ll let you go last week was a long week a lot of fun, I never dreamed this but is there do going to have its own promoting protocol that comes along with what you guys add, or is it just going to be the latest version of RDP that as your virtual desktop.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: yeah I mean that they’re currently no plans to have our own reminder protocols, we try to stay out of the presentation layer and the control plane layer I think Microsoft is you know, is doing a good job of improving it, and it will continue to sell, so now we don’t have any plans for.

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Andy Whiteside: The most that’s why I thought I might have dreamed it, but at the same time, like man if they’re doing that, then, must have really something special in the work, so no worries there, I do have a question for you and i’ll let you guys kind of a.

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Andy Whiteside: Philosophical one at what point well there’s not philosophic at what point did you know this add thing was coming for real and that most a lot of your work that you had been doing on building in making the Microsoft rbs stack work better was going to go to a whole nother level.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: It I mean.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: I think, as soon as Microsoft brought us into the fold even this is even before it was announced public and we were working with them.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: We knew that this is the direction they’re going RDS isn’t going anywhere but i’ll be honest with you it’s sort of we went from 100% already as deployments down to 10% already as deployments.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And pretty much zero like we don’t see anybody using our technology to do RDS deployments because that’s I think it has a perception of being legacy now whether it is or not, as debatable, but add is the cool new thing.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And I think as soon as we learned about what microsoft’s plans are we knew that this is going to be the future.

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Andy Whiteside: Well, that brings me to another topic i’ve for years been saying don’t deploy.

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Andy Whiteside: don’t deploy deliver know present presented the workloads don’t actually deploy the workloads and my biggest challenger to that was Microsoft in SEM.

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Andy Whiteside: And then, all of a sudden overnight because of you know, as your consumption and that cloud they were building they became the biggest fans of don’t deploy deliver, and I think you guys were just you know, obviously sitting in the right spot When that ship turned and when different direction.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: Definitely definitely I mean a coven help with the very initial spike of adoption, you know I think web was doing pretty well, even before covert hit.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: And adoption was growing very rapidly, but it just became exponential in you know March, April may of 2020 where everyone just just needed the remote work solution and add turned out to be the perfect technology to enable that.

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Andy Whiteside: Well, this might not be 100% appropriate, but people like you and I have been saying hey What about a pandemic pandemic could happen, what are we gonna do, and all of a sudden there’s no denying what needed to be done.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: that’s right.

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Andy Whiteside: All right, well buddy Thank you very much for joining this is great we’ll do it again, hopefully next month and you’ll continue to add your insights we have some of our other folks join as well, but man, this is one of the best ones we’ve done, I appreciate you joining.

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Vadim Vladimirskiy: All right, it was a pleasure to be here thanks Andy.

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Andy Whiteside: And we’ll hopefully see you next week in Orlando.

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Andy Whiteside: Okay, you too bye.