116: The Citrix Session: What’s new with Citrix DaaS and Citrix Virtual Apps and Desktops – September 2022 – Part 1

Oct 4, 2022

In the evolving world of hybrid work, Citrix is focused on delivering technologies that support organizations with streamlined maintenance and enhanced security, while ensuring users stay productive with high-performing access to corporate resources. Whether you decide to adopt on-premises virtual desktop infrastructure (VDI) or modernize your infrastructure with desktop as a service (DaaS), Citrix solutions can support your business however you choose to deploy.

Citrix DaaS and Citrix Virtual Apps and Desktops deliver new features and enhancements that make it easier than ever for organizations to create agile work environments with apps and desktops delivered securely anywhere, on any device.

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Host: Andy Whiteside
Co-host: Bill Sutton
Co-host: Geremy Meyers

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All right.

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Andy Whiteside: Hello, everyone! Welcome to episode. One sixteen of the citric session. I’m your host, Andy White Side. I’ve got a bill sudden. The Director of delivery services here. It’s integr a bill. If i’m not mistaken in our management meeting a few minutes ago, you reported that you guys had one hundred and fifteen percent utilization last week

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Andy Whiteside: Was that the week before the last? Yes, okay. So there’s no such thing as giving one hundred and ten, right, I guess, when you’re so many hours a week that’s over one hundred right if you consider forty to floor when you’re uh, when you’re consulting for project Rollouts have to work nights and weekends during a week. I guess you can.

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Bill Sutton: You can’t do more than the whole. You can. Yeah. Good good problem to have. Um. Now, why are you guys so busy?

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Bill Sutton: Well, um selling a lot of projects, a lot of uh migrations off of seven, fifteen uh believe it or not. That’s a lot of the work that we’re doing um internally uh as well as a lot of customers are really um

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Bill Sutton: trending towards leveraging. Ij: We’ve got a couple of rather really big ig projects that are rolling out um and scg and other igl technologies to uh

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Bill Sutton: to optimize the endpoint that accesses a citrix or Vmware environment,

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Andy Whiteside: I should say,

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Bill Sutton: Yeah, I think a lot of that goes back to you know the the pandemic and driving a lot of folks to do remote work and and organizations wanting to centralize what we’ve been preaching for years. And now they’re

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Bill Sutton: they recognize the benefit of that. And uh trying to optimize the endpoint, not having to manage all these disparate windows systems and just manage what’s in the data center, so certainly

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Andy Whiteside: uh lends itself to that ease of management and security on the endpoint. Yeah, So the world of a pandemic has helped. Connectivity is better than ever. Yeah, back in systems or more powerful than ever, and and scalable both up and down

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Andy Whiteside: cloud non-cloud, that we thought about last couple of weeks. It’s it’s, you know it. We. We probably all saw this in the late nineties as the future, but it’s starting to become the reality.

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Geremy Meyers: You know what I have a couple of questions. Actually, I don’t really do the blog post, but everything you just said, Bill. So um first thing first. So seven, fifteen has been end of support mainstream with support. You can still get extended support if you need that

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Geremy Meyers: with Citrix for a month and a half. Now, um! What what are you seeing like we have customers waited so long to make that that upgrade uh. It’s a really good question, I think largely it is Dri. It’s been driven by.

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Bill Sutton: They didn’t have the ability to either didn’t have staffing ability to manage it, or, more likely what we’re seeing is, they got so busy keeping it in production, and they didn’t want to touch it until they had kind of a slow down, as it were. Um, so a lot of customers have have just simply said, We, you know this is working for us. We

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Bill Sutton: it’s become critical to our business, more critical, perhaps, than it was in the past. So we need to hold on to it as long as we can, and things are now starting to level off a little bit to the point where they can leverage a newer version. Of course all of these, as you can understand. I’m sure Jeremy Um are in or parallel migrations. These are not in place upgrades. Um. We tend to shy away from in place upgrades frankly. But um, we won’t do them if the customer really wants them, but generally we’re going to do a parallel migration where we build a

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Bill Sutton: a dazz environment, or even a twenty two o three environment in parallel, and then migrate us over for or leverage storefront to um aggregate both environments.

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Geremy Meyers: Okay, are you? Are you finding the customers? Because we’re talking about seven? Fifteen? What was that? Probably server? Two thousand and sixteen when that was deployed two thousand and twelve or two thousand and sixteen. Yes, So customers are probably using this opportunity to refresh the os to to twenty. Twenty-two. Yeah, but definitely two thousand and nineteen right, two thousand and nineteen. We’ll have some go, some customers going on in one thousand nine hundred and twelve most are going to two thousand and thirty.

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Bill Sutton: Got it. Got it? Okay, by the time. Obviously, they go to twenty, two, or three. But um uh. Some are reluctant to go to the,

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Bill Sutton: to the shiny new object, so so to speak,

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Geremy Meyers: even though it’s not all that tiny and new anymore. It was what six months ago. So right Well, there’s so. There’s some things in this blog post that um they talk about the on-prem current release um and connectivity out to like azure. Vdas cloud vdas things like that, and I guess um they would still be relevant if you were on, or I guess one thousand nine hundred and twelve.

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Geremy Meyers: Put it, you know, connected to things out in azure that would still work. One of the other things I bumped into is customers that were making the seven fifteen jump is they had workloads and running in public clouds that worked just fine with seven, fifteen even, you know, one thousand nine hundred and twelve. It is they made the jump to twenty, two or three

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Geremy Meyers: uh those machines quit working. At least they quit registering, because, you know we deprecated that support. So um, I don’t know I don’t have it right. Right? Yeah, which is a different license file that you’ve got. A

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Andy Whiteside: That was the voice of Uh Jeremy Myers, the Director of Sales engineers for Citrix for the East Coast.

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Geremy Meyers: Yeah, I got right into it, Andy. I’m sorry I have,

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Andy Whiteside: and Bill got me. He got the wheels turning. I was just kind of curious man. That’s that’s what we do, right we, and and look, none of that was rocket science. But, as you can imagine, these are your line of business apps, running either as published apps or presented desktops with apps included. This is scary big stuff. Um,

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Andy Whiteside: That’s why you have a you know, a partner like z integr to help you in between customer and citrix. Get this done and get it done right, and be there to help fix the fall out of it. If there’s issues.

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Geremy Meyers: And And speaking of, so here’s another one. Um, and it is about I gel, in fact. So you know, I’ve got a customer who is looking to make a move off of Vmware,

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Geremy Meyers: and right now they have a mix of igl endpoints as well as um. I think dell Pterodichi based in points, so i’m not concerned about the I gels. You know. Obviously there’s a There’s a Linux Ba. I mean a Linux um workspace app

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Geremy Meyers: um. But from a Tardichi perspective um can I repurpose those guys with maybe a ud pocket. I don’t think I can install

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Andy Whiteside: the igl os on it, but can I re-purpose with a ud pocket and and leverage that hardware that to hardware,

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Andy Whiteside: I mean, that’s done the problems right historically. When a customer was sold a zero client it was barely enough to power up, and I only had the abilities to work with one clients or one of the proposed solutions, or if it was a hardware based solution Um, the the tier one. It was a hardware based here at each right software behind hardware. But uh, chances are no, but it’s worth taking a look at. If here’s the way I put it. If there is a solution on the market that can do it,

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Andy Whiteside: and actually

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Geremy Meyers: well listen. I didn’t mean to start this off with and ask me anything, but that’s all right. I had questions. Well, let me let me do this. Our topic for today is based around a blog from heather tat we’ve done a couple of heathers uh in the past,

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Andy Whiteside: and this one is specifically scroll down What’s new with Citrix Dazz and citrix Virtual app and desktops, September two thousand and twenty-two. So from you know. Now, basically all right, Jeremy real quick citrix dazz is what compared to citrix virtual apps and desktop What’s that? You have to have this question all the time? Ask, How do you succinctly help people understand this when Citrix, using the term Das for one thing and virtual app and desktop for the other.

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Geremy Meyers: So Citrix Das is essentially the citrix virtual apps and desktops as a service. So we’re hosting the the management, part of a citric solution and situ virtual apps and desktops is a fully on prem fully customer. It managed or partner managed um solution. So you would manage

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Geremy Meyers: everything from the virtual delivery agents to the Backend infrastructure as well. So the delivery controllers in storefront and licensing database, the home and and bill, How many projects do we have to upgrade somebody’s dash platform?

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Bill Sutton: Uh, not very many. Um, You know that that’s usually pretty straightforward. It’s basically the Vda unless they have on prem access layer. So uh that’s scalar, net, scalar and um storefront.

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Andy Whiteside: That’s right, because when you move to as a service, then it’s Citrix’s responsibility to have their process in place to do it for you. And you ain’t got to do that anymore.

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Andy Whiteside: That’s one of the big benefits of it. There’s still plenty of stuff to work on. Don’t worry about that. But we don’t have to worry about in place upgrades any more parallel upgrades or uh database migrations. Oh, my God, remember those

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Geremy Meyers: Yeah, That’s why I got another one then. So I know we’re still in the first paragraph. But you know the the model with the citrix versioning specific to the the on premises Citrix Virtual. You know the virtual apps and desktops it managed version is,

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Geremy Meyers: you know there’s a current release that comes out roughly every quarter. Right? So you know. Right now we’re looking at twenty, two of nine that represents the September

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Geremy Meyers: twenty, twenty-two current release, and so that is constantly being updated. There’s a version that comes out every quarter. Um, you know, Every eighteen months we have a long term service release. And so that’s why, earlier this year we we release the twenty-two-three long-term service release so There’s five years of support. The reason seventeen or seven fifteen is going into life is because we’ve reached that five years.

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Geremy Meyers: But long story short, your upgrade process for customers who are going from current release to current release

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Geremy Meyers: bill. What does that typically look like?

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Bill Sutton: What do I mean? It’s pretty simple. It’s a over it’s an over installed typically on the master image uh basically an upgrade from twenty two Oh, six, I guess, to twenty, two Oh, nine.

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Bill Sutton: It it depends on the customer, Um, you know. Obviously the smaller ones typically will will allow us to do it on a um, or we’ll do it on a a copy of the master image or test image. The larger one certainly will. Um. We’ll do a parallel and do a lot of testing. They’ll have the whole process of uh,

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Bill Sutton: you know. Dev test prod uat that the Uat, then Pra, those sorts of processes

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Geremy Meyers: and Bill, Everybody does that in their non production, environment. First, whether it’s dad’s or virtual app, and they they all do that right. They all have test. They all have. Oh, yeah, sure, sure, he he’s laughing. And he’s laughing because ten twelve years ago, before I was even at Citrix. He used to socialize this, and

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Andy Whiteside: I will highlight if you’re using dazz. So as a citrix platform you can carve all five or whatever amount of license you need, and you have a fighting chance of having a pre-production environment, and neither one of them do you have production or pre-production. You have to manage the platform, and you can tell such you say, upgrade this one first, but Don’t know up upgrade this one last. Um! It is just a magical world to live in. Those customers that just basically have one desktop spun off in the corner that they test all this stuff in. It’s not really test

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Bill Sutton: the whole platform. Good enough.

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Geremy Meyers: Yep, you’re right,

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Geremy Meyers: all right, I I promise to stop. Let’s There’s some good stuff in here. Let’s let’s roll through it. I’m sorry it will happen again.

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Andy Whiteside: Um, all right. So calling out that the uh, the now we now available, such as for cl and Desktop, and it’s two thousand two hundred and nine for Jeremy for our listeners. Who haven’t been around this very long twenty-two-nine is nomenclature. For what

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Geremy Meyers: so the o nine represents. The month in the twenty-two represents the year. So this would be the current release. That was released in September of two thousand and twenty-two.

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Bill Sutton: Okay. And this was: this is typically supported for how long

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Geremy Meyers: you’re gonna ask me that, I would say, maybe a year and a half at most. But Yeah, you listen. If you’re on a current release, you’re looking at this list here, wondering what’s new, and whether or not it makes sense for me to upgrade. And

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Geremy Meyers: but you’ve got that process. You get a partner. Um! Who’s walking you through the process of upgrading, because you need to do this somewhat frequently for sure, And guys, this is not a long-term service release. This is just the latest release right

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Geremy Meyers: to twelve right? So that means some kind of release uh in the in the fourth quarter, so i’m not sure if there we’ve got one, but we typically do so. We had a two thousand one hundred and twelve. I’m: Sure, we’ll have a twenty-two.

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Andy Whiteside: Yeah. And specifically what we’re going to talk about for The next little bit is around the citrus virtual app and desktop two thousand and nine current release, which is for the uh the on-premises platform

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Andy Whiteside: And by the way, if you’re gonna have multiple data centers involved in here. You might have two of these built out, aggregated behind a bunch of net scalers and uh storefront servers Um and Bill made the netscaler mark pretty quick a while ago.

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Andy Whiteside: So it out there, right. Citrix is going back to using the term netsc, or to identify the application Delivery controllers and all the die hard citrix folks from

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Andy Whiteside: ten to fifteen years ago twenty years ago, or are ecstatic that they get to use the term that scale again.

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Geremy Meyers: Yeah, it’s official. It’s official official,

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Andy Whiteside: all right. Uh first section here talks about extended Hdx optimizations and let’s again for the hardcore citrix folks just point out Hdx is the marketing term for all the high definition stuff Citrix does. The big part of that is the protocol. So Hdx Protocol, I think, is really gonna be part of the conversation here, if not the whole conversation. Um, you know, if you’re talking to Jeremy Bill or myself, and you want to use, you know the advanced Ica capabilities also known as Hdx.

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Geremy Meyers: Yeah, you know what? So what’s interesting about this is the Hdxp is the piece that is primarily in user facing this is the stuff that end user sees right. So anything you see related to X Hdx usually means we’re improving the user experience. And so

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Geremy Meyers: but I look at the list of things here. So there’s There’s a couple of things that pop out, in fact, and I don’t think I’ve ever. And they were on a zoom call. But I don’t think I’ve ever seen your background blurred. But

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Geremy Meyers: that’s normal now. So Bill always has it, Andy sometimes does it. I don’t think I’ve ever had it, but ultimately happens a lot, and that’s not been something that has been supported. I’m gonna come back to ten bit for sure, but this one jumped out. Um

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Geremy Meyers: that Hasn’t been supported. If you’re running teams from within a virtual, that virtual desktop the ability to blur your background. So this is. This has been added, which I think is pretty neat.

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Andy Whiteside: And Jeremy, I. I’ll address my different set set up here, so I’ve got over here. I’ve got a surface uh tablet connect to a monitor keyboard mouse over here. I’ve got a chrome os over here. I’ve got a an Lg: all in one running. I gel

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Andy Whiteside: in all the cases i’m using Citrix workspace to get my job done all day. I just move from device to device device. Um, because I want to move around, plus. I want to test the different use cases uh, including, you know, in this case zoom offloading

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Geremy Meyers: It’s awesome. You know. The other thing it’s might be later in the uh the The blog post here is that actually

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Geremy Meyers: there? There’s more indication of whether or not you’re so. This is all predicated on you having certain things turned on right. Do you have the version of teams? Do you have the right workspace App. There’s a couple of things that need to be in place for it to happen, but sometimes it’s hard to tell whether or not, optimization has been enabled, and so I think something else later in the blog actually points it out. So we have a feature that will let you know

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Geremy Meyers: whether or not you’re optimized for your best experience with teams, which I think is need feedback. So alright, let’s start at the top ten bit hide. Hdr alright Take it ten ten bit high. Dynamic range. Hdr: What does this mean?

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Geremy Meyers: Um, All right. So i’m not a i’m not a huge hdr person meaning. I don’t quite understand all the details, but essentially what this is, is it it? It makes it look better right. So you’ve got ten bit graphics now.

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Geremy Meyers: Um, but high definition range high dynamic range which you’ve ever turned this on in your Tv. Um! The colors better. The darks are darker. Um, you just have wider range on what that viewing experience looks like. And so you know, we brought this into um. We brought this into the Vda now. So this is completely supported. If you’re doing things like

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Geremy Meyers: um, you know, if you got a four K camera and you’ve got an Hdr camera that you want to use for teams, you know, all of a sudden, you can basically leverage that experience on a a session which is kind of neat. Um,

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Andy Whiteside: is this own. By default you got to turn on

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Geremy Meyers: probably a policy, but I had to imagine, because this probably means more bandwidth. And so yeah, that’s a really big deal, but you know the scenario they point out here is remote medical imaging. So

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Geremy Meyers: you know, one of the used cases we’ve had for a long time is you’ve got radiologists who want to look at images. Technically, i’m gonna i’m going to booger up this word here. But there’s a word for whether a diagnostic read right? So I don’t know that they’ve been able to do quote unquote diagnostic reads through Citrix in the past.

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Geremy Meyers: Um just based on the resolution requirements, but you could at least see and make maybe a,

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Geremy Meyers: you know, make a call. But I wonder if this changes that you know what if this is required requirement driven by just the medical industry.

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Andy Whiteside: Well, if nothing else. And you know you asked me, well go, hey? If you had to do this. What! What? What the incline os could you count on being the most likely work I don’t if you had to do a desktop virtualization, and you’re looking for that brokering and and and middleware platform. Citrix right? Citrix has features that are uh still um in process from the others to catch up, and then new things like this come around like, Oh, yeah, Well, why would I use anything but what’s likely to solve the most challenges?

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Andy Whiteside: Um. While you’re doing that. I pulled up the uh zoom statistics and you can tell. I’m offloading it. It’s got his vdi tab here, and you can see what what the the vdi, what the endpoint, the Ij endpoint is actually doing versus the um. The Vdi itself is having to actually do.

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Geremy Meyers: Oh, that’s pretty interesting to us also.

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Andy Whiteside: All right. Uh next one Bill, let you try this one first virtual uh channel. Allow list feature, update.

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Bill Sutton: Um. This is a system environment. Variable. I don’t really i’m not really sure what what you would use this for to be honest, but it’s a new environment, variable they’ve added. They’ve added to uh allow customers to streamline uh adding custom virtual channels. Um again. I’m not sure exactly when that this would be leveraged. Maybe Jeremy can shed some light on it but

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Bill Sutton: mit ctl, and it looks like they’ve created some some additional capabilities within the the Vda to support um, adding custom virtual channels one hundred and fifty,

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Bill Sutton: for performance reasons or resource reasons

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Geremy Meyers: i’ll, I’ll be honest. Um, so I I neither do I right. But I will say this Um, what this does, is it? It basically makes the platform more extensible. So what virtual channels would you want to add? I don’t know um. I don’t know that i’m creative enough to think through that. But the whole idea that we can

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Geremy Meyers: maybe extend the platform to support new things. I think it’s pretty me. I think this is where um you see, you know, isp partners. Maybe some oems insert. I don’t know. Maybe maybe there’s something that I just could insert in. There would be kind of unique to them. But um, i’m all a fan for making.

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Geremy Meyers: Uh, you know the platform extensible, especially. There’s something else in this blog article that kind of in the same bucket, so we’ll get to that, and I should highlight in the beginning. This is likely to be a two part, if not three, part uh podcast that we do. Here’s just a ton to cover, which you know that’s great to see that Citrix is taking their legacy product

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Andy Whiteside: and making it uh more extensible, because that’s what That’s what we need. That’s what customers need is seeing that the that that mainstream product from Citrix become even better than before, which is great.

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Andy Whiteside: And uh, I guess I will highlight the Ica or Hdx protocol uh. It’s the channels All these years that have been in there by default, and the ones you can turn on and turn off. Uh and then um now additional Channel capabilities. That’s what makes that protocol the magical piece that makes Citrix Citrix.

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Geremy Meyers: Um, it’s pretty interesting. Most folks don’t know the virtual channel is um, you know. They just turn on Citrix, and it works. But um, listen. Just about any. Anyone who’s been a director has seen the virtual channels. Um they’ve seen. There’s the

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Geremy Meyers: There’s certainly the video channel. But there’s an audio channel. There’s a printing channel there’s I mean,

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Geremy Meyers: alright, uh, Jeremy, you mentioned this while ago we had real quick the ability to blur your background, using offloaded our teams within your Vdi Pretty self. Um self self explanatory pretty straightforward. If you had, if you were running teams within a virtual desktop, or you know, as a as a virtual app. You couldn’t blur your background.

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Bill Sutton: Yeah, I think you hit it right on the head. I mean, we don’t see it much to be honest uh within our project base. But um! I know we we do have some oil and gas customers that have inquired of it. Um out in Texas um, and then I think it’s also used overseas a lot.

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Andy Whiteside: Or if I’ve got that Vdi, that’s also um, you know Linux base, and maybe it’s more secure. Maybe it’s not the windows, but it’s certainly less attacked. There’s There’s a security element of that that maybe oil and gas and energy sectors and people like that are going to start to adopt as much as they can. Uh, and we need to be there to support them with that.

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Geremy Meyers: you know they’re an endless number that you can install on top of your Linux desktop. Uh, it looks like we support the ability to quick switch um between them, or less, or at least as a user uh assuming it’s installed. Um, you know. Select it yourself. So let’s just say someone spun up a a catalog of desktops, and they made.

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Andy Whiteside: from multiple fronts, but the support for Kvm. As a hypervisor to host the virtual desktops on. However, there’s a call out at the bottom here that uh that they don’t uh support Mcs as part of that, and that’s I’ve been around that for a long time, actually currently working with another um hypervisor solution, which I think Citrix Jeremy should find extremely interesting if we make progress there to bring uh Mcs to a low cost Linux hypervisor.

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Bill Sutton: this was coming. It’s been coming a long time. I mean arguably there are some third-party hypervisors that are leverage, that leverage kvm that are already supported. So you know the one that comes to mind is a hv um, which I think that had its roots in Kvm: But um, that’s supported fully for Mcs and everything. So I think this is a natural extension of that.

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Bill Sutton: uh? This is really about security around the recordings. Um. So with the two thousand and nine Vda, they can restrict access to certain recordings. So this would be, I think, in particularly in a regulated environment, or really any environment. You, you’re not gonna want just anybody or any admin to be able to access session recordings uh you want to break it up and say, you know the the this person can is the only person to this group

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Bill Sutton: as the only group that can access recordings made by Hr. Or this group is the only one that can access recordings made of sessions that deal with the finance, et cetera. So um, I think, before it was not as granular. Now it appears to be getting more granular.

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Andy Whiteside: All right. Next section talks about updates and key integrations with leading public cloud providers uh new sisters capabilities on Microsoft azure to start with, uh significantly reduce costs uh storage costs for powered down Vms

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Andy Whiteside: I didn’t have anything to do with breaking it. Um got to be on top of our cost, and we start talking about public cloud and consumption of things. The first one, Jeremy reduction significantly reduced storage calls for powered down vms.

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Geremy Meyers: Um! But all of these things here, even though their cloud enabled would be relevant to an on-premise solution, or that solution by default, so such as hosting the management, plane. But if you’re an on-premise customer uh running two thousand two hundred and nine, with hybrid rights installed. You would see this, too, right so that you could install, You know, Va. Sitting in the cloud. So in this first one here.

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Geremy Meyers: Um! So you’re you’re on premise environment. Notice knows you’re not hybrid aware right? So um if you try to register a Vda that’s sitting in a public cloud, it just won’t register. So I forget the exact. If an idea you can go look out by either way. Um,

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Geremy Meyers: So we’re just one of those right? So um you can spin up a brand new instance type in azure um out of the gate you get to define what kind of storage you want that instance to have, and um a lot of folks. In fact, I think it defaults to premium Ssd. Um, and once it’s created, I think it’s been a challenge in the past to change that storage type.

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Bill Sutton: Almost entirely? Um. Mcs? I don’t think we’ve done that. We may have done one project with Pbs. And azure. But um! The majority of the projects are mps, and we’re going to throw them on on premium Ssd: ninety-five percent of the time um So this is huge for customers, because when they shut down, and that machine shuts down at six. Seven o’clock at night.

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Bill Sutton: They can flip the bit on that from premium to standard, because you remember in azure. You shut the machine down. You’re not paying for consumption, but you’re still paying for that disk space that’s being used by that machine which in most cases is pretty minimal in an Mcs environment. But imagine if you have some some um static desktops uh persistent desktops deployed

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Andy Whiteside: I don’t have time for that. I guess what i’m saying, That’s yeah, that’s the challenge. All right. So, guys, we’re about ten minutes left again. This is going to be a part one of part, two, maybe three, maybe part four uh which is great to have this much content to cover hibernation support for azure. Vms: um, Bill, I guess we’ll start with you.

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Bill Sutton: Yeah, I mean, this is this pretty much explains it in the title. But this is something that folks have asked for a long time, and and this is just literally. Instead of shutting the machine down, you can hibernate it just like you’ve been able to do in the Vm. Console for years um to be able to. You know, hibernate a Vm: basically. It saves the memory state. And then when you, when it starts back up, it’s much quicker than starting from scratch and rebooting or booting. Um, I don’t think you have any storage savings here. Uh, you may have some compute savings, I I would assume you do. But um!

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Bill Sutton: you know you save it, but you want to get right back with the same. You know desktop settings or not desktop environment. The windows that are open in the same place or the same windows are open, the ability to hibernate the environment and come right back into it. Uh without having to stay running the whole time. That makes sense.

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Geremy Meyers: the the way I understood as your consumption today is the only time you’re saving money on. An instance is when you shut it down, and the resources have been de allocated. Yeah, you’re right. So this they wouldn’t be saving money Here you’re right. Absolutely. So So that leads into. I mean, listen to sounds neat, but like what would be the use case for this is, I guess,

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Geremy Meyers: I don’t. I’m asking you to smart guys. Are you asking me? This is me thinking out loud, because, of course, customers are gonna want to know how to save money and use cases and things like that. So uh, listen. This is how my wheels turn sometimes is, you know. I’m trying to figure out how this would be useful to folks, and

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Geremy Meyers: and so maybe this is where we we follow up on this and and to with a podcast

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Andy Whiteside: the only way to deep provision de allocate things is when it’s totally turned off just hibernating. It would not be good enough.

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Geremy Meyers: Well, I just so. I’m thinking through this right. So when you powered down a virtual or an instance an azure from outside,

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Geremy Meyers: you know the the instance. Maybe you didn’t go start shut down from within the instance, um azure will basically power down the the um, the allocated, which means those resources are no no longer allocated to your subscription,

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Geremy Meyers: right? So they go back into the pool of resources that everyone uses right. Um! And at that point you’re not getting charged for anything other than the storage. So far, so good. But in this case, um, if we’re simply hibernating, I got to assume that we’re keeping the memory state. You know the storage state those sorts of things which means you can’t

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Geremy Meyers: allocate unless you I mean you’ll lose all those things right? So this feature sounds like you’re just kind of putting it to sleep, which is okay. I just i’m trying to figure out what I’m gaining by doing all of this, because if it costs the same for me to hibernate versus to keep it running. Why not? Why would I just keep it running? I don’t know.

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Bill Sutton: Yeah, it’s a really good question. Um. The last sentence of this as reconnect to the previous state of the Vm. You could argue that just leave it running, and I can reconnect to the previous state of the Vm: So that’s a good point. I I guess I don’t know enough about Why, just hibernation support and azure. So this is how I figure out what to go research during the week.

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Andy Whiteside: Yeah. So let’s come with you guys. Yeah,

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Andy Whiteside: I mean, Yeah, All right, Yeah, check Check it out. Let’s come back with this question. You’re gonna have to answer for customers, anyway. So not a bad thing to have to go find out uh support, for as your ad dynamic security groups. For as your ad join machines Uh, Jeremy, go ahead.

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Geremy Meyers: Okay. So this is what I don’t. I don’t know what an Azerb dynamic security group is right now. So not just that. But I usually think of security groups in the context of delivery groups, because that’s usually how i’m assigning

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Geremy Meyers: membership to that delivery group. So

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Bill Sutton: something you think you have, and I haven’t have knowledge of general idea. Um, but just based on reading it, I I think that i’m not. I would, Jeremy, to some degree. I’m not entirely sure what an azure Eighty Dynamic Security group is. But I think the point they’re making here is. If you have an azure Id join. Vm: You can assign your your security groups to the delivery group

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Bill Sutton: based on its name. Um, So you could say, I’ve got a delivery group with a certain name in it, and then anytime a Vm. Joins that delivery group. It gets X permissions or X security groups get assigned to it, and that it’s almost like a group policy for security groups or something uh That’s

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Bill Sutton: basically what I could come up with, based on the reading it.

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Geremy Meyers: I will say this, though. Um having no idea what this means just yet. Um, you know i’m seeing a lot more interest in asra D joined Vms. And as your ad join security scenario. So

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Geremy Meyers: you know, if anything, this kind of shows the direction citrix is going and supporting um non-traditional eighty join machines, which yeah it’s rounding it out. You’re absolutely right. I see that a lot to a customers wanting to do as your ad join or hybrid join machines. Well, I mean, you had to now long ago, where you could be an as your user but your machine had to be in some type of, you know. Non azure ad join domain. Right now we’re to the point. We can dynamically reassign groups. It looks like,

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Bill Sutton: Yeah, this is the uh azure resource manager or the Arm Template Capability. Um, you can add vm extensions to the catalog. There’s a list of supported extensions, apparently, that um it can be enabled uh, and this is the ability to add them dynamically. I guess when you create a machine catalog versus manually.

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Geremy Meyers: Yeah, some of the um, so I couldn’t help but click the link right, and so some of the um extensions are page file locations, page file settings. Um.

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Geremy Meyers: Currently, some has withdrawing. Maybe that’s a different section. I’ve just rolled into. But

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Geremy Meyers: um, yeah, there’s some interesting stuff here. The fact that you know it on the fly is pretty name, but I think it’s interesting that you know we know what we know about all this, and we do it all day every day.

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Andy Whiteside: It it’s a lot right. And um That’s why we’re putting this information out and showing that we don’t know everything, and there’s research to be done for next week. And um, you know there’s There’s collaboration that needs to be done to figure out more about

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Andy Whiteside: Uh, I have two more we’ll cover, and then we’ll make this uh an in cap for part, one uh trusted launch support for azure uh ephemeral os disk. You know what? At one point in my life I could have told you what it female meant. I think it means persistent, you guys tell me. But uh,

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Andy Whiteside: ephemeral, what does this trusted launch support for azure ephemeral Os disking?

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Geremy Meyers: Oh, my! So I just had um. So one of my team talked to me about ephemeral disc the other day in the context of um, you know, Pbs. And what he told me is ephemeral discs are cheap. Um,

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Geremy Meyers: but I I won’t say insecure. But you know the whole idea behind a Tpm module is just that trusted launch that trusted platform. In fact, it’s required for windows eleven machines

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Geremy Meyers: uh I didn’t realize it was virtualized, too, So that’s me. But um, I don’t have to research. So I just looked at the definition for a while, because I always forget it means something that lasts for a very short amount of time,

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Andy Whiteside: which is probably Why, it’s cheap so you could spin this thing up, Use it, turn it off, and it goes away.

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Geremy Meyers: Yeah, In fact, I just noticed that option during machine creation the other day for a uh windows for an Ncs image or uh catalog. So that’s interesting. Big that yeah, I think that’s brand new to the Ncs process.

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Andy Whiteside: Alright. Uh last, we’ll cover support for machine catalog creation from a different azure subscription. Wow, uh Bill,

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Bill Sutton: This is kind of interesting. This This is really focused on um having shared image galleries. So where the customer has created a a a bank of images, you know, maybe windows ten. One of it. Maybe certain apps on them, and they’ve created them in one subscription. And they built, they built. They’ve stood up another subscription in their tenant, and they’re uh,

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Bill Sutton: they’re leveraging that for a different use case, perhaps maybe as a security boundary or governance boundary. Um, but they want to be able to leverage those those images that they built over to the other subscription. Historically, they’d have to literally move them manually. Now they apparently have the ability to connect to them um primarily from using powershell. Looks like

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Geremy Meyers: this is pretty slick. So in my head i’m thinking about how this used to work on prem right. You had a desktop team who was building laptop images in their own little area.

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Geremy Meyers: Um, but you know you move this to the cloud and you’ve got desktop teams still creating images, but they’re doing it from within azure, right? So what they would do is to sort of to your point, Bill. You’ve got a governance. You get a security boundary where I’m going to give this team access to a cloud some space. They’re building images. But in order to get those images from one tenant or one subscription to the to another

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Geremy Meyers: sorry manual process, whereas now these guys can kind of build and tweak and do everything they need to and have their own shared image gallery the way they want it. And an administrator and a different subscription can basically just insight into the gallery, pull over what they need, and so it just makes it a little bit clean. So this is a really good idea. I love this me, too,

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Andy Whiteside: goes back to our conversation while I go around those you know test environments and having that flexibility.

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Andy Whiteside: All right. Well, guys, uh we’re out of time for today. So this was great. Um! We only made it through a third of the content. So chances are there’s gonna be a a part, three uh coming after part two, and maybe they will recap some of the other stuff at that point. Time. Clarify anything that we feel like we missed.

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Andy Whiteside: Uh, but guys, I appreciate it. And uh looking forward to talking more around this, I can’t highlight enough that if it takes us three days, three, one hour, sessions to cover what’s new with the product. Uh citrus is clearly uh investing in this and um. This is where the the they know. Their bread is butter for the future,

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Geremy Meyers: and what a tease to, because there are so many good things coming up the next session! There’s some Google, some aws. We talked about Mci. X. And app packaging the other day. So

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Geremy Meyers: uh, this will be pretty good. Actually.

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Andy Whiteside: Yeah, yeah, the the Microsoft stuff we just covered public Cloud integration with se bad. We haven’t really got into Ds. But we think all this stuff applies there, too. And yeah, Microsoft is one of the three big players in the public space, and then there’s all kinds of semi private uh public clouds to be integrated with it’s. It is truly a world of um, You know. You decide your path. You take your you pick your

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Andy Whiteside: story that you want to be, and it’s all gonna all gonna work and all gonna be supported

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Geremy Meyers: alright, guys,

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Bill Sutton: alright. Guys Thanks. We’ll do again next week.