{"id":718367,"date":"2025-06-24T10:59:37","date_gmt":"2025-06-24T14:59:37","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/xentegra.com\/resources\/179-rising-costs-aging-hardware-one-smart-way-forward\/"},"modified":"2025-08-14T13:12:36","modified_gmt":"2025-08-14T17:12:36","slug":"179-rising-costs-aging-hardware-one-smart-way-forward","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/xentegra.com\/hi\/resources\/179-rising-costs-aging-hardware-one-smart-way-forward\/","title":{"rendered":"179: Rising Costs, Aging Hardware, &#038; One Smart Way Forward"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" style=\"width: 100%; height: 200px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/670066\/episodes\/17390108-rising-costs-aging-hardware-one-smart-way-forward?iframe=true\" width=\"100%\" height=\"200\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\"><strong>One Smart Way Forward: Citrix Elux and Scout for Cost-Effective Windows 11 Migration<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As hardware prices soar and the Windows 11 migration deadline looms, IT leaders are facing a critical decision point: invest in expensive new infrastructure or optimize existing assets. The good news? There&#8217;s a smarter path forward\u2014leveraging Citrix&#8217;s Elux and Scout tools to repurpose aging hardware and streamline endpoint management.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\"><strong>Rising Costs, Limited Options<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Global tariffs and persistent supply chain issues have drastically inflated the cost of endpoint devices. Coupled with the steep hardware requirements for Windows 11, organizations are confronting tough choices\u2014postpone upgrades, absorb major capital costs, or, worst case, reduce headcount to fund infrastructure.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\"><strong>Enter Citrix Elux: Extend the Life of Existing Hardware<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Citrix Elux is a lightweight, secure Linux-based endpoint operating system designed to work on nearly any x86 hardware. By converting outdated PCs into efficient virtual desktop terminals, Elux enables organizations to deliver Windows 11 experiences without new hardware purchases. The operating system supports boot-to-VDI functionality, ensuring a seamless user experience, especially in verticals like healthcare that rely on tap-and-go authentication.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\"><strong>Centralized Control with Scout<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Managing a distributed fleet of endpoints can be daunting\u2014unless you have the right tools. Citrix Scout simplifies endpoint administration with a single web-based console for pushing images, applying policies, and maintaining security. The provisioning process is fast and streamlined, minimizing downtime and user disruption.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\"><strong>Why This Matters Now<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As IT departments grapple with shrinking budgets and increasing demands, Citrix Elux and Scout offer a clear advantage:&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Cost savings<\/strong> by avoiding new hardware&nbsp;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Improved endpoint security<\/strong> via a hardened Linux OS&nbsp;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Streamlined management<\/strong> with centralized controls&nbsp;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Flexible deployment<\/strong> compatible with cloud, hybrid, or on-prem infrastructure&nbsp;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\"><strong>Conclusion: A Future-Proof Strategy<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>You don&#8217;t need to rip and replace your IT environment to modernize it. With Citrix Elux and Scout, organizations can extend the life of their hardware, meet Windows 11 requirements, and improve manageability\u2014all while staying within budget. Now is the time to pivot towards smarter, more resilient IT strategies.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Looking for guidance on your next move? Reach out to XenTegra to explore how Citrix solutions can future-proof your digital workspace.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><br><br><strong>DESCRIPTION<\/strong>:<br>As hardware costs climb and Windows 11 migration looms, IT leaders face a tough choice: upgrade or optimize. In <b>Episode 179 of The Citrix Session<\/b>, Bill Sutton (XenTegra) and Todd Smith (Citrix) unpack a smarter path\u2014repurposing aging hardware with Citrix Elux and Scout.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b>Why Listen:<\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Learn how tariffs and supply chain delays are impacting endpoint strategies<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Discover how Citrix Elux enables secure, seamless access to Windows 11 on old devices<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Understand how Citrix&#8217;s Scout tool simplifies endpoint management<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Explore flexible deployment options, including boot-to-VDI and Imprivata tap-and-go<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Hear how NetScaler and Win365 fit into a hybrid IT model\u2014no rip and replace required<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><b>Key Takeaway:<\/b><br>You don\u2019t need new hardware to modernize your workspace. Citrix\u2019s built-in solutions help you do more with what you already have.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\ud83d\udd17 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.citrix.com\/blogs\/2025\/05\/05\/rising-costs-aging-hardware-one-smart-solution\/\">Read the original blog<\/a><br>\ud83d\udcc5 Recorded: June 5, 2025<br>\ud83c\udf99\ufe0f Hosted by: Bill Sutton, Director of Modern Workspaces, XenTegra<br>\ud83d\udc65 Guest: Todd Smith, Citrix<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>TRANSCRIPT<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"transcript\">\n<p><!--block-->\u0935\u0947\u092c\u0935\u0940\u091f\u0940\u091f\u0940<\/p>\n<p>1<br>00:00:02.670 &#8211;&gt; 00:00:23.760<br>Bill Sutton: Hello, everyone, and welcome to episode 179 of the Citrix session. I&#8217;m your host for today, Bill Sutton, the director of modern workspaces integra. We got just a couple of us today on the call company. Me is Todd Smith from Citrix Todd, do you wanna say hello to everyone and just update us on what&#8217;s been going on in your world. It&#8217;s been a while.<\/p>\n<p>2<br>00:00:23.940 &#8211;&gt; 00:00:33.970<br>Todd Smith: Yeah, yeah, it has been a while. Thanks for thanks for having me here today, Bill. It&#8217;s been it&#8217;s been a little while since we all were together looking forward today&#8217;s topic, though.<\/p>\n<p>3<br>00:00:34.610 &#8211;&gt; 00:00:58.769<br>Bill Sutton: Yeah, me, too. Yeah. It has obviously been a been a while I was. I know that. We&#8217;ve just all been really busy, and I was on Pto last week. So hopefully, we&#8217;ll kick this back in. And like we we were saying before we started the recording, gonna try to see if we can&#8217;t hit the 200 mark before the end of the year, so there should be enough weeks left in the year. But you know, it&#8217;s gonna depend on content and and how busy we get. So we&#8217;ll see.<\/p>\n<p>4<br>00:01:00.170 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:14.450<br>Bill Sutton: So the topic for today is a blog article like usual from May the 5.th It&#8217;s entitled Rising Costs Aging Hardware. One smart solution. This is a citrix blog written by Philip Benkler<\/p>\n<p>5<br>00:01:14.530 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:35.089<br>Bill Sutton: about like I said back on May 5.th So really, what it&#8217;s covering here is is the concept of the the new tariffs that we&#8217;re all becoming more and more familiar with. If you follow the news tariffs that are being imposed to help. For whatever reason I won&#8217;t. We won&#8217;t get into the politics right, right, Todd. Keep that out of this.<\/p>\n<p>6<br>00:01:35.090 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:41.996<br>Todd Smith: I I&#8217;m hoping not because, I&#8217;ve got both Canadian politics and us politics in my territory. So.<\/p>\n<p>7<br>00:01:42.520 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:44.859<br>Bill Sutton: Little button of the heads going on there right little.<\/p>\n<p>8<br>00:01:44.860 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:45.500<br>Todd Smith: There is.<\/p>\n<p>9<br>00:01:45.500 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:03.873<br>Bill Sutton: So, yeah, so I mean, the bottom line is tariffs or not. We are, we are seeing generally seeing hardware prices. Being pushed upwards. Somewhat uncharted. And I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s going away, whether you know, obviously, tariffs do have an impact on that. But even if they&#8217;re not there. I think we&#8217;re still gonna see?<\/p>\n<p>10<br>00:02:04.510 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:09.550<br>Bill Sutton: see them go up. Another key element to this is the<\/p>\n<p>11<br>00:02:09.860 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:36.620<br>Bill Sutton: the transition from windows 10 to windows 11, which is not as simple as it used to be, where you just, you know, pop in your iso, or mount your iso, and then run the installer. There are some key considerations that customers must make before before doing that upgrade and this lends itself towards the kind of the 2 big things we&#8217;re gonna talk about today. Todd, you wanna introduce anything here and comment on what I&#8217;ve said thus far.<\/p>\n<p>12<br>00:02:36.620 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:45.019<br>Todd Smith: Yeah, so yeah, so this is, this is kind of a very interesting topic, because, you know. So Phil Philip came over to<\/p>\n<p>13<br>00:02:45.220 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:51.986<br>Todd Smith: Citrix through the Unicon acquisition, where he was basically the product leader over there.<\/p>\n<p>14<br>00:02:52.620 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:10.899<br>Todd Smith: and and it&#8217;s a very interesting purchase at the time. Because we really weren&#8217;t in the hardware business or the endpoint business, I mean, we had dabbled a little bit in there, if you remember the raspberry pi devices, and we had an x 1 mouse for a little while. We kind of gravitated away from Citrix, being<\/p>\n<p>15<br>00:03:11.650 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:14.195<br>Todd Smith: really kind of focused on endpoints.<\/p>\n<p>16<br>00:03:15.380 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:24.760<br>Todd Smith: But now, with the addition of Unicon, and they&#8217;re the 2 core products being scout, which is the management utility. And then Elux, which is the actual<\/p>\n<p>17<br>00:03:25.100 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:28.210<br>Todd Smith: hardened operating system that goes on the endpoint.<\/p>\n<p>18<br>00:03:28.803 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:38.479<br>Todd Smith: It really puts us in an interesting position to be able to talk to customers about repurposing their their old hardware or older hardware<\/p>\n<p>19<br>00:03:38.620 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:51.279<br>Todd Smith: and connect into a Vdi or Das session that&#8217;s running inside the data center that is fully capable of running a windows. 11 operating system and presenting that windows 11<\/p>\n<p>20<br>00:03:51.560 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:57.799<br>Todd Smith: through the form of a virtual desktop connection to to that user on that secured endpoint.<\/p>\n<p>21<br>00:03:58.600 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:11.239<br>Todd Smith: you know, it&#8217;s interesting about the windows. 11 migration. You know everyone. Microsoft has the tool that allows you to check and see if there&#8217;s if your move. If your machine is windows 11 compatible.<\/p>\n<p>22<br>00:04:11.830 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:18.249<br>Todd Smith: and it&#8217;s really not looking at the hardware of the machine. It&#8217;s looking at the configuration of the machine. So if you have<\/p>\n<p>23<br>00:04:18.430 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:25.519<br>Todd Smith: a machine that has Tpm capabilities. But it happens to be turned off in the bios. It&#8217;s going to fail that that hardware check.<\/p>\n<p>24<br>00:04:25.920 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:31.010<br>Todd Smith: And really, the critical thing is, you want to be able to make sure<\/p>\n<p>25<br>00:04:31.270 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:38.203<br>Todd Smith: that your machine or your end, your physical endpoint is capable of running windows. 11. Before you do that migration.<\/p>\n<p>26<br>00:04:38.990 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:56.020<br>Todd Smith: The other piece of it is that there&#8217;s a, you know, organizations that have a large fleet of desktops and endpoints. You know the cost of the so the cost associated with it and the manpower it&#8217;s gonna take to migrate all of those physical devices over to New hardware is going to be pretty incredible.<\/p>\n<p>27<br>00:04:56.150 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:59.360<br>Todd Smith: And then on top of that you add in the tariffs.<\/p>\n<p>28<br>00:05:00.610 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:01.180<br>\u092c\u093f\u0932 \u0938\u091f\u0928: \u0938\u0939\u0940?<\/p>\n<p>29<br>00:05:02.740 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:10.690<br>Bill Sutton: Yeah, it all kind of comes together at one time, and really with when you look at the cost, not just of the what the tariffs are imposing. But<\/p>\n<p>30<br>00:05:11.365 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:18.974<br>Bill Sutton: you know other elements that play into that like you said certainly it makes sense to look at something like elex<\/p>\n<p>31<br>00:05:19.820 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:34.380<br>Bill Sutton: you know, obviously one of the options, you know cu customers in this instance are often facing tough choices, whether they delay upgrades or absorb the costs, or or even, you know, worst yet would be reduced head count. We we don&#8217;t want to see that<\/p>\n<p>32<br>00:05:34.773 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:00.809<br>Bill Sutton: or pivot, which is what we&#8217;re talking about today. And and certainly Citrix is in this conversation largely because of the capabilities of virtualizing desktops, but also as Todd alluded to there a minute ago. The fact that they are now offering a secure OS that has the capability of being able to transform existing devices and then enable their connectivity back to a citrix das environment or virtual desktops, virtual apps and desktop. See that?<\/p>\n<p>33<br>00:06:01.407 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:06.770<br>Bill Sutton: So you don&#8217;t have to necessarily rip and replace your hardware to to to<\/p>\n<p>34<br>00:06:07.140 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:21.610<br>Bill Sutton: enable access to windows. 11. You can leverage Elux and their scout management utility. So there&#8217;s a number of ways in the article that that they mentioned 4 different ways or 4 different elements in terms of how it works, boot to boot, to vvi.<\/p>\n<p>35<br>00:06:21.610 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:41.420<br>Bill Sutton: which is essentially where you turn the device on, and it boots right into your citrix environment and you log in directly. So you&#8217;re not logging in one time and then clicking an icon. You&#8217;re turning it on, you can structure it that way. But if you have the same desktops right, Todd, you just turn it on. You get a log of authentication prompt. You. Enter the credentials, and you&#8217;re at your desktop right.<\/p>\n<p>36<br>00:06:41.420 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:51.400<br>Todd Smith: Yeah, so and and Bill, this is kind of the extenuating, extending out the conversation that we&#8217;ve had for almost 20 years about these kiosk type machines where?<\/p>\n<p>37<br>00:06:51.400 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:52.320<br>Todd Smith: Yeah, you have<\/p>\n<p>38<br>00:06:52.320 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:00.000<br>Todd Smith: kiosk in the hallway of the hospital and you walk up to it. You you enter your credentials and it brings you directly into your<\/p>\n<p>39<br>00:07:00.510 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:03.120<br>Todd Smith: application, your desktop, your Vdi, so.<\/p>\n<p>40<br>00:07:03.120 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:03.730<br>\u092c\u093f\u0932 \u0938\u091f\u0928: \u0938\u0939\u0940?<\/p>\n<p>41<br>00:07:03.930 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:04.810<br>\u092c\u093f\u0932 \u0938\u091f\u0928: \u0938\u0939\u0940?<\/p>\n<p>42<br>00:07:04.960 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:32.379<br>Bill Sutton: Yeah. And kind of along those lines. I know that that Elox, or Unicon now, Citrix, whatever it ends up being called is working very closely with some of the vendors that enable that tap and go like Impervada so the ability to, in a healthcare setting to your point, literally walking up to the device and tapping in entering a PIN potentially. And then boom! You&#8217;re right in your desktop. So certainly that&#8217;s supported, and and Cape Elux is capable of that.<\/p>\n<p>43<br>00:07:32.728 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:50.490<br>Bill Sutton: Obviously, the the elex operating system is generally hardware agnostic any anything x 86. So as long as your x 86 you&#8217;ll work natively. This, whether you&#8217;re talking about an existing, you know, relatively new PC. Or even older devices. Have the capability of running<\/p>\n<p>44<br>00:07:50.490 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:57.429<br>Bill Sutton: running it so customers can avoid having to purchase new hardware to get this capability enabled in their environment.<\/p>\n<p>45<br>00:07:58.010 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:04.940<br>Todd Smith: Yeah. And I think the the critical thing there, Bill, is the, you know. I know we&#8217;re covering this on one of the next bullet points is around<\/p>\n<p>46<br>00:08:05.590 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:21.839<br>Todd Smith: buying new hardware right now with the tariffs is really gonna have some complications into it, both from a pricing perspective as well as an availability perspective. So if we can, even if we can help customers buy some time on their calendar<\/p>\n<p>47<br>00:08:21.980 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:24.190<br>Todd Smith: to make the hardware refresh<\/p>\n<p>48<br>00:08:24.460 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:30.199<br>Todd Smith: decision. Right? We yeah, we still feel that&#8217;s got that&#8217;s got an immense value for the customer.<\/p>\n<p>49<br>00:08:31.480 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:32.580<br>\u092c\u093f\u0932 \u0938\u091f\u0928: \u092c\u093f\u0932\u094d\u0915\u0941\u0932\u0964<\/p>\n<p>50<br>00:08:32.679 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:47.960<br>Bill Sutton: And then, of course, the operating system that Elux leverages is a is a basically a hardened Linux operating type system. So it doesn&#8217;t have the attack service that something like a traditional windows might have, particularly if it&#8217;s not patched or secured.<\/p>\n<p>51<br>00:08:48.285 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:06.210<br>Bill Sutton: So it and and then they the elex. Like we, I think we talked about it on an earlier earlier blog post or earlier, podcast rather, regarding the management framework scout, which is a web based management framework that can can deploy policies and and lock down and secure these devices right? Right? Todd.<\/p>\n<p>52<br>00:09:06.210 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:10.139<br>Todd Smith: Yep, yep, yeah, absolutely. And and you know.<\/p>\n<p>53<br>00:09:10.650 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:14.990<br>Todd Smith: between it, between the management consoles the integration with.<\/p>\n<p>54<br>00:09:14.990 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:15.600<br>\u092c\u093f\u0932 \u0938\u091f\u0928: \u0939\u093e\u0901.<\/p>\n<p>55<br>00:09:15.600 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:31.459<br>Todd Smith: You know, being able to to repurpose and reuse those those X 86 platform endpoints. And then also the inclusion of the work that we&#8217;re doing. There&#8217;s another blog post out there that was recently put out around our integration with improvada to provide that.<\/p>\n<p>56<br>00:09:31.460 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:31.800<br>Bill Sutton: Company.<\/p>\n<p>57<br>00:09:31.800 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:43.360<br>Todd Smith: Functionality which is really critical in a lot of a lot of healthcare scenarios where tap and go is really the only way to authenticate for a lot of the the end users.<\/p>\n<p>58<br>00:09:45.440 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:53.410<br>Bill Sutton: Absolutely. And then you want to talk briefly, Todd, your knowledge of the provisioning process or the deployment process kind of the last bullet there.<\/p>\n<p>59<br>00:09:53.630 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:57.608<br>Todd Smith: Yeah. So so it&#8217;s a pretty simple and straightforward<\/p>\n<p>60<br>00:09:58.260 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:07.270<br>Todd Smith: deployment process. If you&#8217;re familiar with the way we deploy provisioning services or machine creation services, or even our application layering<\/p>\n<p>61<br>00:10:07.370 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:16.399<br>Todd Smith: in application packaging process. It&#8217;s very similar. You build an image which oftentimes requires you to. If you&#8217;re if you&#8217;re an existing<\/p>\n<p>62<br>00:10:16.710 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:20.360<br>Todd Smith: consumer. Of this you take an image, and you<\/p>\n<p>63<br>00:10:20.680 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:33.399<br>Todd Smith: merely make a copy of it and update, provide all your updates, apply all your patches, apply all your application changes and things like that. And then you basically add that to your catalog. And then upon reboot.<\/p>\n<p>64<br>00:10:33.860 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:42.628<br>Todd Smith: the machine will pick up the the most recent version of that image to basically download and install.<\/p>\n<p>65<br>00:10:43.550 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:05.169<br>Todd Smith: the other piece of it is that you can push out to new devices as well as traditional deployment key capabilities with things like USB Keys or connecting them to a URL to do their that initial download but really the the scout platform. The scout tool really kind of gives us the ability to<\/p>\n<p>66<br>00:11:05.360 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:10.490<br>Todd Smith: provide single pane of glass or single console management for this.<\/p>\n<p>67<br>00:11:11.200 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:35.019<br>Bill Sutton: Yeah. So user gets a device in the mail or or has an existing device, they just boot it a certain way, or connected in some manner. It does a boot phones home, so to speak. Scout pushes down the image. It installs the image reboots again. The scout pushes out whatever policies are needed for connectivity back to the back, to the mothership, and then you&#8217;re on your merry way for the most part right.<\/p>\n<p>68<br>00:11:35.170 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:45.669<br>Todd Smith: Yeah. And and because it&#8217;s a Linux based operating system. And it&#8217;s a hardened Linux base. You&#8217;re not pushing the entire installation bits down there. You&#8217;re pushing basically<\/p>\n<p>69<br>00:11:45.870 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:05.500<br>Todd Smith: the the bin file right to to get it down to that endpoint so it can actually be booted into that. Into that image. You know, there&#8217;s not an awful lot of applications that get built into that image. It&#8217;s pretty much a a connector, you know. Think of it. As the you know, the the workspace app<\/p>\n<p>70<br>00:12:05.740 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:24.730<br>Todd Smith: gets built directly into there, it provides the authentication tool it allows you to sign in, and whether you&#8217;re using a virtual app or virtual desktop or Vdi session or das session. It&#8217;s all it basically makes it a much streamlined, a much more streamlined user experience, but also an administrative experience.<\/p>\n<p>71<br>00:12:24.850 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:28.930<br>Todd Smith: And you&#8217;re not pushing a lot of data bits across the wire.<\/p>\n<p>72<br>00:12:29.280 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:31.120<br>Todd Smith: That was the huge<\/p>\n<p>73<br>00:12:31.480 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:36.940<br>Todd Smith: challenge a lot of organizations had. I mean, if you remember, back in the day with ghosting machines where.<\/p>\n<p>74<br>00:12:36.940 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:37.369<br>\u092c\u093f\u0932 \u0938\u091f\u0928: \u0913\u0939, \u0939\u093e\u0901\u0964<\/p>\n<p>75<br>00:12:37.370 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:38.970<br>Todd Smith: You know, you would literally.<\/p>\n<p>76<br>00:12:39.370 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:47.899<br>Todd Smith: you know, see the pig going through the anaconda when it on the network perspective? Very long time to to boot and get the image.<\/p>\n<p>77<br>00:12:48.010 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:51.940<br>Todd Smith: you know, installed on that endpoint. There&#8217;s no installation, really, on that endpoint.<\/p>\n<p>78<br>00:12:52.960 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:54.220<br>Bill Sutton: Right? Right?<\/p>\n<p>79<br>00:12:55.180 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:05.893<br>Bill Sutton: Yeah. I remember those ghost days very well. I was recently telling my son about what I did when I got started in this business, and it was ghosting drives in white box machines. So<\/p>\n<p>80<br>00:13:06.580 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:08.819<br>Bill Sutton: I remember those days well.<\/p>\n<p>81<br>00:13:08.820 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:11.820<br>Todd Smith: Even further Bill. Remember having to put diskettes in.<\/p>\n<p>82<br>00:13:12.270 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:13.030<br>\u092c\u093f\u0932 \u0938\u091f\u0928: \u0913\u0939, \u0939\u093e\u0901\u0964<\/p>\n<p>83<br>00:13:13.030 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:18.080<br>Todd Smith: You know, a hundred diskettes that were required to boot up a windows. Server OS.<\/p>\n<p>84<br>00:13:18.080 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:25.940<br>Bill Sutton: When the server OS, exactly. Exactly. So. Any other comments on on Elux basically at this point, or Scout Todd.<\/p>\n<p>85<br>00:13:25.940 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:29.620<br>Todd Smith: Yeah. So so really, it&#8217;s it&#8217;s 1 of those tools that<\/p>\n<p>86<br>00:13:29.720 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:35.990<br>Todd Smith: and capabilities that are included in your universal hybrid multi cloud as well as citrix platform licenses.<\/p>\n<p>87<br>00:13:36.100 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:44.620<br>Todd Smith: The benefit here is, really making sure that the the customers have the option to<\/p>\n<p>88<br>00:13:44.810 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:54.330<br>Todd Smith: still leverage the citrix applications and and desktops without having to go and replace their entire fleet of endpoints.<\/p>\n<p>89<br>00:13:54.660 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:55.230<br>Bill Sutton: Right<\/p>\n<p>90<br>00:13:56.660 &#8211;&gt; 00:14:05.880<br>Bill Sutton: and along the same lines. I&#8217;m glad you said that I was. Gonna I was gonna do that. You took the words right out of my mouth when it comes to. How do? How do the how do our customers get this?<\/p>\n<p>91<br>00:14:05.950 &#8211;&gt; 00:14:35.620<br>Bill Sutton: Get Elox? And it&#8217;s universal hybrid, Monthly cloud Licensing, or the Citrix platform license. They get the entitlement to to these, to the software and along those same lines. When it comes to infrastructure, networking infrastructure. Hardware citrix offers something else that we&#8217;re all familiar with, that is also included in both the universal Uhmc or universal hybrid multi cloud license and the platform license. And that&#8217;s the net Scalar software, right? Todd.<\/p>\n<p>92<br>00:14:35.910 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:02.059<br>Todd Smith: Yep, that&#8217;s absolutely right. The Netscalar, the Netscalar entitlement is included in both of those, and because we&#8217;ve shifted over from being a hardware only solution when it came to Netscaler we now have. We&#8217;ve had virtual netscalar appliances for for some time now. 10 years now. And and what that basically says is that you don&#8217;t have to have it running on physical hardware. You can actually run it as a virtual machine.<\/p>\n<p>93<br>00:15:02.520 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:03.870<br>Todd Smith: which, once again.<\/p>\n<p>94<br>00:15:03.990 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:11.360<br>Todd Smith: if hardware is being tariffed, or we&#8217;ve got supply chain issues with the hardware. That&#8217;s that&#8217;s out there.<\/p>\n<p>95<br>00:15:11.850 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:38.649<br>Todd Smith: That&#8217;s not not going to prevent you from running a net scaler to do the application delivery controller, the load, balancing capabilities, the application, firewall capabilities the VPN. Replacement capabilities as well. You can all run that on virtual machine, or basically a hypervisor of your choice. The benefit there is, you can get it up and running while you&#8217;re waiting on hardware to arrive.<\/p>\n<p>96<br>00:15:39.700 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:54.939<br>Bill Sutton: Yeah, we we&#8217;ve seen. We&#8217;ve had a few projects over the course of the past month or 2 that where customers had legacy, net, scalar, hardware. And they were Uhmc. And they decided they didn&#8217;t want the hardware anymore. Wanted to go. Virtual.<\/p>\n<p>97<br>00:15:55.100 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:05.589<br>Bill Sutton: All they had to do is stand up some Vpx&#8217;s sometimes more than one, many times more than well, more than 2. You&#8217;ll always want at least 2 as a way of kind of<\/p>\n<p>98<br>00:16:05.730 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:25.729<br>Bill Sutton: future, proofing themselves, if you will, from a hardware perspective, by leveraging the Hypervisor as the resident for the Vpx. Instances, so this is another benefit of you know they they don&#8217;t have to worry about buying new hardware and paying the tariff for the additional cost and can leverage their existing hypervisor investment to to be used for<\/p>\n<p>99<br>00:16:26.160 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:30.189<br>Bill Sutton: for future proofing them and allowing them to run these things as virtual machines.<\/p>\n<p>100<br>00:16:31.480 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:38.350<br>Todd Smith: And I think the other, the other thing to to kind of bring into the conversation is, and it&#8217;s certainly not, as<\/p>\n<p>101<br>00:16:39.390 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:48.959<br>Todd Smith: it&#8217;s not as critical or could be as critical as the the tariff conversation is really the supply chain. The global supply chain challenges with getting chips<\/p>\n<p>102<br>00:16:49.230 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:56.929<br>Todd Smith: shipped around the world, and you know, kind of the delays that are caused by a variety of different reasons.<\/p>\n<p>103<br>00:16:58.540 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:00.300<br>Todd Smith: You know, I think there&#8217;s a lot of<\/p>\n<p>104<br>00:17:00.570 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:05.169<br>Todd Smith: customers that are that are starting to bake into their purchasing.<\/p>\n<p>105<br>00:17:05.290 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:11.729<br>Todd Smith: you know, a 6 to 8 week delivery cycle for a for physical hardware appliances. That&#8217;s out there.<\/p>\n<p>106<br>00:17:13.210 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:14.529<br>Bill Sutton: Yeah, absolutely.<\/p>\n<p>107<br>00:17:15.280 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:31.760<br>Bill Sutton: So this, we&#8217;re at the end of the article. So it&#8217;s a pretty quick one today, Todd, which we kind of knew going into it. But, you know, at the end of the day, what I would say to to our listeners is, if if this is something of interest to you, and you&#8217;re coming up for renewal. Let&#8217;s let&#8217;s get you on. Uhmc.<\/p>\n<p>108<br>00:17:31.890 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:36.089<br>Bill Sutton: if you&#8217;re on a legacy license skew and and get you access to this goodness.<\/p>\n<p>109<br>00:17:36.440 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:05.259<br>Bill Sutton: And you know, obviously with with citrix and integra we can. We can help help guide you on this and get things. Get a poc or Pov put in place, and ultimately get this, get this scaled out for you. So these are great solutions that really are part of the family of products that Citrix is now packaging. So just make sure that you reach out to us. If you, if you need anything or need any assistance. With these these capabilities, any final thoughts, Todd.<\/p>\n<p>110<br>00:18:05.940 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:34.604<br>Todd Smith: Yeah, Bill, I think the the real kind of critical piece here is, you know, continue to add value without increasing the overall costs. Right? So you know it used to be, you know we buy something, and you&#8217;d have to go out, purchase it separately through through your Citrix partner or your citrix sales reps. We&#8217;re now adding a lot of these capabilities directly into the product suite and into the licensing model a lot of customers already have, or that they&#8217;re moving to<\/p>\n<p>111<br>00:18:35.020 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:44.660<br>Todd Smith: without having to go down the path of making additional procurement purchases to do that. The other piece of it is. Really.<\/p>\n<p>112<br>00:18:45.620 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:53.809<br>Todd Smith: we feel that it&#8217;s giving customers a lot more flexibility and agility in these uncertain markets that are out there right now, where<\/p>\n<p>113<br>00:18:53.950 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:55.630<br>Todd Smith: it may be a hardware<\/p>\n<p>114<br>00:18:56.170 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:10.910<br>Todd Smith: acquisition problem. It could be a a forced update that&#8217;s coming down the road for the endpoints. It could be a variety of different things. We&#8217;re we&#8217;re creating solutions across the board to help customers solve these business problems that are out there.<\/p>\n<p>115<br>00:19:11.790 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:25.409<br>Bill Sutton: Absolutely. Yeah. I you know. One thing that that we don&#8217;t always talk about here or bring up is when you start talking about the windows. 11. Conversation. What I think a lot of customers don&#8217;t realize is you can leverage<\/p>\n<p>116<br>00:19:25.520 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:36.650<br>Bill Sutton: windows 365 through the Citrix environment. And in fact, I use it every day. And and I&#8217;m using it right now. For this, podcast is I&#8217;m doing this through a windows 3, 65<\/p>\n<p>117<br>00:19:36.860 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:05.200<br>Bill Sutton: desktop that is brokered through hdx. So I&#8217;m getting all of the Hdx capabilities. I&#8217;m not doing it on an Elex device yet. I&#8217;m running it from a standard windows laptop. But Elux is on the list for me to get that. Get that in place, and the point of of bringing that up is, there&#8217;s a number of ways to get to windows 11. You can. You can have an obviously have an On prem data center like you might have historically, and build a virtual machine an image. Run it through Mcs or Pbs and get it delivered<\/p>\n<p>118<br>00:20:05.210 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:08.560<br>Bill Sutton: via Elux to your end users.<\/p>\n<p>119<br>00:20:08.840 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:29.259<br>Bill Sutton: You can run it in the cloud. Leveraging the same control plane and you can run win 365, leveraging the same control plane. So there&#8217;s a lot of capabilities that Citrix offers within the within the family of of the items in each package that really add value like like you, said Todd to the overall product and the overall solution.<\/p>\n<p>120<br>00:20:29.770 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:42.370<br>Todd Smith: Yeah. And I think this is also critical, Bill, where? Where? You&#8217;re basically walking, walking us all through the hybrid messaging right? It&#8217;s it doesn&#8217;t matter where the workloads are being run. It doesn&#8217;t matter how you get there.<\/p>\n<p>121<br>00:20:42.550 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:45.560<br>Todd Smith: It needs to be secure, reliable, and efficient.<\/p>\n<p>122<br>00:20:47.930 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:49.110<br>\u092c\u093f\u0932 \u0938\u091f\u0928: \u092c\u093f\u0932\u094d\u0915\u0941\u0932\u0964<\/p>\n<p>123<br>00:20:49.430 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:51.220<br>Todd Smith: All right, Todd. Any final thoughts.<\/p>\n<p>124<br>00:20:51.750 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:56.550<br>Todd Smith: No, just one of we&#8217;re one step closer to episode 200. Bill.<\/p>\n<p>125<br>00:20:56.825 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:07.294<br>Bill Sutton: That&#8217;s right. We were absolutely. We&#8217;re getting pretty close. So we&#8217;ll we&#8217;ll make that a goal by the end of the year to get to episode 200 might be December, but we&#8217;ll try to get there. 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